david H

Because of the constant disputes between supporters of the to parties I have copied and pasted this from the BNP site. It refers to both parties but is the information about the override accurate?

Who Needs The BNP? UKIP That’s Who!
Chris Brown ⋅ January 24, 2008 ⋅

Not for the first time the BNP comes to the aid of ordinary UKIP members!
This time its UKIP’s West Sussex Organiser, John Wallace, and UKIP member, Yvonne Larg, that we are assisting. For they have absolutely no hope of passing on this interesting information, about EU Directives, via their own web-site.
John & Yvonne, whenever you have any non party political information, relating to the EU, that should really receive the widest possible publicity, why not cut out the middle man and send it directly to us and we will be more than happy to publish it for you
Here’s what it was that Mr Wallace and Ms Larg wanted people to know:
Have you ever wondered how a new set of EU Directives suddenly become UK Law ‘out of the blue’?
Please forward this on to as many of your contacts as you can.
There is now a general precedence of EU law over UK law by default. While our parliament still has nominal sovereignty, it can still reject any EU Directive: but if it doesn’t, the Directive then becomes UK law by default.
Strictly speaking, our parliament can always reverse anything – it merely has to pass a simple Act saying so.. It is also a fundamental tenet of our system that no parliament can bind its successors to any previously passed law. Parliament, though, would find it difficult to pass retro-active legislation. Thus any EU ‘law’ that slips through becomes valid UK law – unless it’s specifically repealed later … something New Labour is most unlikely to do.
It gets worse. There’s a little known device called the Override that’s often used to bypass the UK parliament and so thwart any scrutiny of EU Directives.
It’s reputed to have been employed some 350 times in the last 10 years.

In 2005 the Override was used 77 times:

* 51 when parliament was in dissolution for the general election and could conduct no business

* 17 during the summer recess when parliament was closed – ref. 2006-88.

The Override is a most powerful tool being used by our government to replace UK democracy with EU law without the majority of our MPs knowing what’s happening. It’s a very effective way indeed to keep the Euro-sceptics – press, Labour MPs, Tory MPs or the public – in the dark until it’s too late (ref. 2006-92 & 2006-85 & 2006-95).

Consider: our parliament cannot debate or reject a proposed Directive that it doesn’t see or know about. An EU Directive thus enabled would be very difficult to repeal, even if the subterfuge is exposed later. The EU claims that all powers once ceded to them can never be returned.

We’ve not heard any objection from the Tory Party or the Lib Dems to the use of this device. If you want to know more about the Override, ask your local MP to explain it to you and how he justifies its use in a democratic country.

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Hunter

One of the points I tried to make is the the general public have no idea what's going on. They only hear about these things when someone else raises the issue. However, the way things are at present, very few people believe most of what politicians say about each other. They only want to deal with the issues in front of them - immigration, political correctness, national health service, law & order etc - all issues that have been sorely mismanaged by the present Government, and will vote against those who advocate the status quo.

All three main Parties are gearing up for a hung Parliament after the next election - why? - Because they're aware that the fringe Parties will win seats, even if as a protest vote, which will almost certainly give UKIP and BNP a voice.

Enough reason for some people to want to take over an organisation.

blueblood1920

People will vote for a party with them in it and they have been, UKIP have a clean leadership but are failing to beat BNP in elections. Yes it may be a bit slower but its happening and its gathering more speed, London will be a good indicator to show the level of support for the BNP.


Well I dont have a pic handy, but it seems to be known in Nationalist ranks. Why dont you email him and ask him?


How is Nick like bowden? Nick has ate paxman alive, we do not know how bowden would deal with the media so cant comment on that. Nick goes out leafletting, bowden didnt. Griffin is a good speaker, as is Bowden granted. They are two different people altogether. If they wanted better management system then its up to them to put it forward as a motion at the party conference which they did not do, its not for them to decide whether the system is changed or not.


He resigned, the party are not going to go grovelling to some guy who has a short temper and is deluded about his own self importance. Dont try and say you really believed he stood a chance of winning to try and support your argument, you are just deluded if you think that. He got 9%, beat UKIP who are a bigger and better funded party who didnt even save their deposit so he didnt do too bad and dont think you would get many members complaining over the result.


Nick's time is not up yet, he is the man to take the BNP to the mainstream. There is nobody ready yet to take over from him, collett wont take over as he isnt that popular with the members (that does not mean he is hated). Any leadership change will be contested by a election.



They party is building a very string interllectual base of members through its training weekends, this can be seen at the excellent arguments put forward at the party conference. They party is winning over people from all classes, the BNP does not base its self as a party for anyone class. It is a party for the British people and it appeals to the British people.


I have never heard of someone mentioning the program, also they say a week is a long time in politics, 5 years is even longer. You may talk to people who have a strong interest in politics and follow all these things, but they are in a tiny minority and the majority of people dont look into such things in such great detail. Joe Public are not going to go looking for Young nazi and proud nor are many have going to have watched it or even remember it in great detail.

blueblood1920

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Populist Lee

Is it too soon for some sort of link to that news?

Or will we have to wait till his appearance in court?
When will that happen?

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blueblood1920

I would imagine some sort of official statement will be made.

The Guvnah

You can laugh but we have a fast food trailer in the city centre that does a notable pork 'n stuffers (extra crackling) and falling into conversation with the proprietor reveals that they were initially only granted a 'provisional' 3 month trading licence with it's extension being determined by the absence of complaints. Now who might that be rferring to do you think? Soil Assoc activists perhaps, The Lamb and Beef Marketing Organization, the animal rights folks then? No of course not, this guy's right to conduct business is to be determined by the irrational tenets & prejudices of an alien religion. I'm sure he feels so enriched.

blueblood1920

Disgusting, all the more reason to win this country back.

Also on a different note, there could be a split in the VoC

TannyD

Good, it doesn't hurt to be a little more accurate.

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david H

Guvnah, where would that be, Birminham?

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