Ian Paisley Forced to resign.

Little Englander (sour) · 10-09-2007, 03:06 PM

Ian Paisley has been forced to resign from the Free Presbyterian Church (which he founded) because of his cooperation with the leaders of Sinn Fein in the Northern Irish Assembly.

If there was one man who I thought would adhere rigidly to his principles (right or wrong) it would be him.

Power definitely corrupts as does the promise of £50bn.

rjt · 10-09-2007, 03:16 PM

I was unsuprised by this news given the hurt felt by ,many of the churches members following Dr Paisley's decision to enter government with The IRA.

Frankly I was astonished he signed up to a deal which further weakens the Union.

cassie · 10-09-2007, 05:41 PM

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I was unsurprised by this news given the hurt felt by, many of the churches members following Dr Paisley's decision to enter government with The IRA.

Frankly I was astonished he signed up to a deal which further weakens the Union.

Ultimately, one has to wonder whether the departure of 1.7 million people (less those who would prefer to live within the UK and who move to the mainland) will make much difference to the UK.

Over and beyond that, one needs to consider whether the departure of another 5 million in Scotland will be to their detriment or England's.

Sentiment, whilst understandable, is not sufficient to address these situations. Besides, in Northern Ireland the future is now pre-ordained by the Belfast Agreement. Only England (or, more precisely, MPs actually representing England) gaining control of Parliament can change the situation, but that seems unlikely to occur in time!

Britannist · 10-09-2007, 08:26 PM

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.....in Northern Ireland the future is now pre-ordained by the Belfast Agreement.

The future in Northern Ireland is pre-ordained by the overwhelming majority (most Protestants and a sizeable part of the Roman Catholic population) that would vote against a "united Ireland" or certainly not turn up to vote for one in a referendum.

Britannist · 10-09-2007, 08:29 PM

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Ultimately, one has to wonder whether the departure of 1.7 million (Northern Irish) people (less those who would prefer to live within the UK and who move to the mainland) will make much difference to the UK.

Northern Ireland's Unionist population include many people who are partly of English ancestry (as well as many partly of wholly of Scottish origin). We must not abandon our people to republicanism. Northern Ireland and mainland Great Britain belong together.

Britannist · 10-09-2007, 08:32 PM

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....one needs to consider whether the departure of another 5 million in Scotland will be to their detriment or England's.

An "independent" Scotland could be led by a europhile Government which lets the EU station troops from the EU military in Scotland. Which would mean that, for the first time since the Romans, a part of Great Britain would have european continental troops stationed in it. Quite possibly just across the border from England.

Britannist · 10-09-2007, 08:36 PM

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Only England (or, more precisely, MPs actually representing England) gaining control of Parliament can change the situation...

I support England having equality with Scotland in the UK. Scotland has exclusive control over a wide range of its domestic affairs. The same, of course, should apply to England.

UKIP policy is that Scottish and Welsh constituency MPs in the Commons can meet in Scotland and Wales and do the work of the rival Parliament in Edinburgh and of the Welsh Assembly. UKIP calls for the abolition of the present costly Scottish Parliament and of the Welsh Assembly. UKIP suggests that while Scottish and Welsh MPs meet in Scotland and Wales to deliberate on domestic matters, English constituency MPs in the House of Commons handle specifically English legislation.

ANGLO-STAFFS · 11-09-2007, 09:22 AM

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I support England having equality with Scotland in the UK. Scotland has exclusive control over a wide range of its domestic affairs. The same, of course, should apply to England.

UKIP policy is that Scottish and Welsh constituency MPs in the Commons can meet in Scotland and Wales and do the work of the rival Parliament in Edinburgh and of the Welsh Assembly. UKIP calls for the abolition of the present costly Scottish Parliament and of the Welsh Assembly. UKIP suggests that while Scottish and Welsh MPs meet in Scotland and Wales to deliberate on domestic matters, English constituency MPs in the House of Commons handle specifically English legislation.

I agree with the first part. The rest however is just not realistic. I think that we would end up in the same position as we are now. Imagine (great leap required) that the UK had a Tory majority but that the fringes elected a majority of MP's from other parties. They would constantly be trying to score points over the Tories and demanding concessions in exchange for support. This would probably include more control over their own countries. And I think that after so many years out of power the Tories would do almost anything to hold on to it.

Little Englander (sour) · 11-09-2007, 02:07 PM

Spot on, which is why the only equittable solution is a devovled Parliament for England, the patchwork quilt suggestions will not work - it will mean more authorities vying for the lion's share of the same financial pot, it's bad enough now with the Barnett Formula.

rjt · 11-09-2007, 02:14 PM

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Spot on, which is why the only equittable solution is a devovled Parliament for England, the patchwork quilt suggestions will not work - it will mean more authorities vying for the lion's share of the same financial pot, it's bad enough now with the Barnett Formula.

Hear Hear, very well said.

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Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	Spot on, which is why the only equittable solution is a devovled Parliament for England, the patchwork quilt suggestions will not work - it will mean more authorities vying for the lion's share of the same financial pot, it's bad enough now with the Barnett Formula.