Conservative MP backs English Parliament

Britannist · 07-08-2007, 04:29 PM

Conservative MP Mark Field (who represents the City of Westminster and the City constituency) has expressed his support for the establishment of an English Parliament -

“Playing the English card”:

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/to...g-the-eng.html

“Mark Field MP answers your questions”:

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/in...m-do-you-.html

Former Conservative General Election candidate Iain Dale (a supporter of an English Parliament) comments at (please click on the following link and scroll down to an article in the section dated 7.8.2007):

http://www.iaindale.blogspot.com

mkpdavies · 07-08-2007, 04:30 PM

I fully expect all the Tories and then Labour to do the same at some point.

Britannist · 07-08-2007, 04:33 PM

Anti-English Labour will only support it as long as it doesn't happen.

It's time the UKIP policy on this went mainstream - abolition of the present Scottish Parliament/Welsh Assembly with their duties handed to Scottish/Welsh MPs meeting Scotland/Wales (with English constituency MPs deliberating on English legislation in their absence from the House of Commons) is one of the most interesting proposals I have come across in this area.

mkpdavies · 07-08-2007, 04:35 PM

Labour will support it in full, after they have wound people up enough.

God cop, bad cop. Works everytime on this gullible country now.

Britannist · 07-08-2007, 04:39 PM

I cannot see Labour backing an English Parliament (or even 'English only voting' in the Commons on specifically English matters). Labour are anti-English and avoid using the word 'England'.

An English Parliament - under whatever electoral system it was chosen - means less Labour (Lie-bour) representation in England than at present. They (Lie-bour) would struggle to win a majority in England alone under any electoral system.

The debate also needs to be widened to cover discussion of the cost of Follyrood (the rival Parliament in Edinburgh) and the Welsh Assembly. I am certain there are many Scots and Welsh folk who would look with interest at the UKIP proposal for the abolition of the present costly Scottish and Welsh Parliament/Assembly and their replacement with a less expensive alternative.

Cost is an issue too - as well as the constitutional aspect.

mkpdavies · 07-08-2007, 05:34 PM

I bet you a pack of Wagon wheels they do, within 5 years.

Britannist · 07-08-2007, 08:07 PM

Independence Now! · 08-08-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britannist

I cannot see Labour backing an English Parliament (or even 'English only voting' in the Commons on specifically English matters). Labour are anti-English and avoid using the word 'England'.

An English Parliament - under whatever electoral system it was chosen - means less Labour (Lie-bour) representation in England than at present. They (Lie-bour) would struggle to win a majority in England alone under any electoral system.

The debate also needs to be widened to cover discussion of the cost of Follyrood (the rival Parliament in Edinburgh) and the Welsh Assembly. I am certain there are many Scots and Welsh folk who would look with interest at the UKIP proposal for the abolition of the present costly Scottish and Welsh Parliament/Assembly and their replacement with a less expensive alternative.

Cost is an issue too - as well as the constitutional aspect.

I agree. UKIP's policy is a good one on this subject I think. I oppose an English Parliament as I am a staunch Unionist. A separate institution would not only be very expensive to maintain but would be too unwieldy. Folyrood has already provided too many opportunites for separatists as John Major (about the only thing he was right on) said it would and an English one would be even more dangerous in that respect.

Britannist · 08-08-2007, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Independence Now!

I agree. UKIP's policy is a good one on this subject I think. I oppose an English Parliament as I am a staunch Unionist. A separate institution would not only be very expensive to maintain but would be too unwieldy. Folyrood has already provided too many opportunites for separatists as John Major (about the only thing he was right on) said it would and an English one would be even more dangerous in that respect.

Yes, the UKIP policy on this is interesting and well thought-thought-out, because:

1.

It would result in all parts of Great Britain being equal regarding devolved powers.

2.

It would save money (the rival Parliament in Edinburgh and the Welsh Assembly cost too much to run).

3.

It would provide a firm link between the devolved legislatures and the Union (UK) Parliament (i.e. MPs in the House of Commons would be doing handling both devolved matters and national legislation for the whole of the UK).

Johnny Hates Jazz · 08-08-2007, 10:34 PM

......................... Policy of an English Parliament within a Federal UK !

English Democrats Policies are now becoming mainstream !

In an interview for ConservativeHome, Tory MP Mark Field advocates the creation of an English Parliament. He says...

Since the expulsion of most of the hereditary peers, I have, in principle, favoured the option of a fully or largely-elected House of Lords. However, I recognise that such an outcome is unlikely to be within the realms of practical politics, not least as the House of Lords as currently constituted is likely to be hostile and there would be little agreement as to the timing or form of elections. I would prefer to see the creation of a completely new federal parliament. Four, full, national parliaments in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with most of the existing powers of the House of Commons and over them a federal United Kingdom parliament, which would debate defence and foreign affairs, make treaties and administer a cohesion fund for the poorer parts of the UK. It would be funded by a per GDP levy on the national parliaments. There would be no need for extra politicians, as the national
parliaments would send representatives to the UK parliament and meet together
for its debates, which could be held in the old House of Lords chamber.

I appreciate it is a bold, indeed a radical, suggestion but I believe that the only way to restore the balance of the British constitution, which had served us so well for so long, is to offer the British people this fairer alternative in a referendum once we have won the next election.

Originally Posted by Iain Dale

07-08-2007, 04:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Conservative MP backs English Parliament Conservative MP Mark Field (who represents the City of Westminster and the City constituency) has expressed his support for the establishment of an English Parliament - “Playing the English card”: http://conservativehome.blogs.com/to...g-the-eng.html “Mark Field MP answers your questions”: http://conservativehome.blogs.com/in...m-do-you-.html Former Conservative General Election candidate Iain Dale (a supporter of an English Parliament) comments at (please click on the following link and scroll down to an article in the section dated 7.8.2007): http://www.iaindale.blogspot.com

07-08-2007, 04:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I fully expect all the Tories and then Labour to do the same at some point. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-08-2007, 04:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Anti-English Labour Anti-English Labour will only support it as long as it doesn't happen. It's time the UKIP policy on this went mainstream - abolition of the present Scottish Parliament/Welsh Assembly with their duties handed to Scottish/Welsh MPs meeting Scotland/Wales (with English constituency MPs deliberating on English legislation in their absence from the House of Commons) is one of the most interesting proposals I have come across in this area. Last edited by Britannist; 07-08-2007 at 04:36 PM.

07-08-2007, 04:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Labour will support it in full, after they have wound people up enough. God cop, bad cop. Works everytime on this gullible country now. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-08-2007, 04:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Less Labour representation in England I cannot see Labour backing an English Parliament (or even 'English only voting' in the Commons on specifically English matters). Labour are anti-English and avoid using the word 'England'. An English Parliament - under whatever electoral system it was chosen - means less Labour (Lie-bour) representation in England than at present. They (Lie-bour) would struggle to win a majority in England alone under any electoral system. The debate also needs to be widened to cover discussion of the cost of Follyrood (the rival Parliament in Edinburgh) and the Welsh Assembly. I am certain there are many Scots and Welsh folk who would look with interest at the UKIP proposal for the abolition of the present costly Scottish and Welsh Parliament/Assembly and their replacement with a less expensive alternative. Cost is an issue too - as well as the constitutional aspect. Last edited by Britannist; 07-08-2007 at 04:43 PM.

07-08-2007, 05:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I bet you a pack of Wagon wheels they do, within 5 years. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-08-2007, 08:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Wagon wheels

08-08-2007, 10:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,948	Conservative MP Signs Up to English Democrats ............. ......................... Policy of an English Parliament within a Federal UK ! English Democrats Policies are now becoming mainstream ! In an interview for ConservativeHome, Tory MP Mark Field advocates the creation of an English Parliament. He says... Since the expulsion of most of the hereditary peers, I have, in principle, favoured the option of a fully or largely-elected House of Lords. However, I recognise that such an outcome is unlikely to be within the realms of practical politics, not least as the House of Lords as currently constituted is likely to be hostile and there would be little agreement as to the timing or form of elections. I would prefer to see the creation of a completely new federal parliament. Four, full, national parliaments in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with most of the existing powers of the House of Commons and over them a federal United Kingdom parliament, which would debate defence and foreign affairs, make treaties and administer a cohesion fund for the poorer parts of the UK. It would be funded by a per GDP levy on the national parliaments. There would be no need for extra politicians, as the national parliaments would send representatives to the UK parliament and meet together for its debates, which could be held in the old House of Lords chamber. I appreciate it is a bold, indeed a radical, suggestion but I believe that the only way to restore the balance of the British constitution, which had served us so well for so long, is to offer the British people this fairer alternative in a referendum once we have won the next election. Originally Posted by Iain Dale __________________ English not British not European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

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