Conservative MP backs English Parliament

Britannist · 09-08-2007, 12:20 AM

The UKIP proposals (as I outlined in posting numbers 3 and 9 to this thread) are cheaper to implement than a fully federal UK and the UKIP plan (to answer 'the English Question') maintain a link between the Union (UK) Parliament and the the devolved legislatures (a link missing from plans for a fully federal UK).

A fully federal UK would fortify the existence of the present rival EU-backed Parliament in Scotland and of the Welsh Assembly. That's the last thing we want. We want to see Follyrood (the present Scottish Parliament) and the Welsh Assembly both got rid of. They cost too much and their responsibilities could be carried out at much less expense by Scottish/Welsh constituency MPs (more familiar to most electors than members of the present Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly) meeting at different locations in Scotland and Wales (as proposed by UKIP) to deliberate on domestic matters.

The present rival Parliament to Westminster in Edinburgh must go - as should the rival 'Parliament' to Westminster in Brussels.

Little Englander (sour) · 09-08-2007, 11:29 AM

Given yourself a bit of work there.
Simpler solution:
English Parliament, with CoSG Flag flying in the superior.
Referendum on participation in the United (ha ha) Kingdom.
Referendum on participation In the European Union.
what ever the results of the above - job done.

Independence Now! · 09-08-2007, 01:19 PM

No, Little Englander. Some of us consider ourselves to be British and are proud of it. My country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NI and I don't see why anyone has the right to take it away from me. Labour's devolution shambles is an utter disgrace. They should have either proposed fair, workable and stable devolution for all of Britain and put it to a UK-wide referendum to accept or reject or scrapped the plan entirely.

Independence Now! · 09-08-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

......................... Policy of an English Parliament within a Federal UK !

English Democrats Policies are now becoming mainstream !

In an interview for ConservativeHome, Tory MP Mark Field advocates the creation of an English Parliament. He says...

Since the expulsion of most of the hereditary peers, I have, in principle, favoured the option of a fully or largely-elected House of Lords. However, I recognise that such an outcome is unlikely to be within the realms of practical politics, not least as the House of Lords as currently constituted is likely to be hostile and there would be little agreement as to the timing or form of elections. I would prefer to see the creation of a completely new federal parliament. Four, full, national parliaments in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with most of the existing powers of the House of Commons and over them a federal United Kingdom parliament, which would debate defence and foreign affairs, make treaties and administer a cohesion fund for the poorer parts of the UK. It would be funded by a per GDP levy on the national parliaments. There would be no need for extra politicians, as the national
parliaments would send representatives to the UK parliament and meet together
for its debates, which could be held in the old House of Lords chamber.

I appreciate it is a bold, indeed a radical, suggestion but I believe that the only way to restore the balance of the British constitution, which had served us so well for so long, is to offer the British people this fairer alternative in a referendum once we have won the next election.

Originally Posted by Iain Dale

Sounds good on paper but it wouldn't work in practice which is why it has been rejected by ALL mainstream parties, including the one party who would gain from such an idea ie the Conservatives. Simply put, England is too large to have a parliament like Folyrood of its own within the United Kingdom. Separatists would have a field day and to a much greater extent than they do with regard to Folyrood as is demonstrated on the Cross of St George site forum where many of the contributers are EDP members and who wish for a fully 'independent' England and will push for it once the half-way house of a devolved 'Parliament' is achieved.

If there was some way of banning separatists from contesting elections to these institutions then there might be a slight degree of merit to the proposals but as you can't ban parties like the SNP then you shouldn't give them platforms. Infact, if it hadn't been for the SNP, then Holyrood would have been created much earlier. Mr Major was right about devolution. It is a 'slippery slope'.

Little Englander (sour) · 09-08-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

No, Little Englander. Some of us consider ourselves to be British and are proud of it. My country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NI and I don't see why anyone has the right to take it away from me. Labour's devolution shambles is an utter disgrace. They should have either proposed fair, workable and stable devolution for all of Britain and put it to a UK-wide referendum to accept or reject or scrapped the plan entirely.

I couldn't agree with you more, what I fail to see or understand is how you propose to get back to the unitary State/Nation that was Britain/Great Britain/United Kingdom and N.I.
Tony Blair and his traitorous cronies split us asunder with their short term solution to the rise in "nationalism" only to make it worse by far.
At least an English Parliament is forward looking and goes under the heading of equality status for all.
Explain to me how you intend to put the whole situation into reverse and get all cuddly again.

Britannist · 09-08-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

I couldn't agree with you (Independence Now) more, what I fail to see or understand is how you propose to get back to the unitary State/Nation that was Britain/Great Britain/United Kingdom and N.I.
Tony Blair and his traitorous cronies split us asunder with their short term solution to the rise in "nationalism" only to make it worse by far.
At least an English Parliament is forward looking and goes under the heading of equality status for all.

Although the above question is not directed at me, maybe I might allowed to answer it.

The UKIP proposals on devolution would result in the creation of a direct link between the Union (UK) Parliament and the devolved structures in that both would be made up of MPs from the House of Commons.

This would be a better situation than we have now whereby the present Scottish Parliament is a rival Parliament to Westminster (as, of course, is the EU 'Parliament' in Brussels). The Union of the UK would be stronger and fairer than it is now under the present Labour devolution mess.

A de facto English Parliament is established in the UKIP devolution plan (English constituency MPs would legislate on specifically English matters before the House of Commons in the absence of Scottish/Welsh constituency MPs) - but an English Parliament in a UK in which all parts are equal and in which the devolved structures are directly connected to the main Union (UK) Parliament.

09-08-2007, 12:20 AM	#11 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Fully federal UK fortifies the existence of EU-backed Scottish Parliament The UKIP proposals (as I outlined in posting numbers 3 and 9 to this thread) are cheaper to implement than a fully federal UK and the UKIP plan (to answer 'the English Question') maintain a link between the Union (UK) Parliament and the the devolved legislatures (a link missing from plans for a fully federal UK). A fully federal UK would fortify the existence of the present rival EU-backed Parliament in Scotland and of the Welsh Assembly. That's the last thing we want. We want to see Follyrood (the present Scottish Parliament) and the Welsh Assembly both got rid of. They cost too much and their responsibilities could be carried out at much less expense by Scottish/Welsh constituency MPs (more familiar to most electors than members of the present Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly) meeting at different locations in Scotland and Wales (as proposed by UKIP) to deliberate on domestic matters. The present rival Parliament to Westminster in Edinburgh must go - as should the rival 'Parliament' to Westminster in Brussels.

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09-08-2007, 11:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 760 Party: English Democrats	Given yourself a bit of work there. Simpler solution: English Parliament, with CoSG Flag flying in the superior. Referendum on participation in the United (ha ha) Kingdom. Referendum on participation In the European Union. what ever the results of the above - job done.

09-08-2007, 01:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	No, Little Englander. Some of us consider ourselves to be British and are proud of it. My country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NI and I don't see why anyone has the right to take it away from me. Labour's devolution shambles is an utter disgrace. They should have either proposed fair, workable and stable devolution for all of Britain and put it to a UK-wide referendum to accept or reject or scrapped the plan entirely.