Give UK's top seat at United Nations to EU says Foreign Office Minister (claim)

Britannist · 06-08-2007, 03:47 AM

The UK's influential permanent seat on the United Nations security council should be given to the EU, a Labour Government Foreign Office minister has allegedly said

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007360155,00.html

harryaldridge · 06-08-2007, 08:51 AM

That's his promotion now pencilled in then!

Didn't he previously work for the UN? i wonder if somebody feels like looking up pension entitlements etc to see if there is any reason his loyalties might lie elsewhere.

mkpdavies · 06-08-2007, 08:52 AM

Jesus, they are so brazen about it now.

And yet the people of Britain and the rest of Europe slumber on. No wonder this continent finds itself in massive wars. It's people are so docile, so stupid.

PolishUser · 06-08-2007, 11:14 AM

The UN is a communist organisation. Britain shouldn't be a member of it, and neither should Poland.

Independence Now! · 06-08-2007, 12:28 PM

What is the point in Britain having a seat at the UN anyway seeing as we always go along with whatever the US is doing? There is no point in having national sovereignty in the vitally important area of foreign affairs and defence if you hardly ever exercise it. Let's face some facts here, the reason the Tories and the The Scum (supporters of Brown and Bliar's Labour Party) are so uptight about the Reform Treaty's proposals in this area is because they want Britain to be permanently beholden to the USA. Personally, I would want to exercise some British independence in this area and that means occasionaly voting AGAINST the USA in the UN.

harryaldridge · 06-08-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

What is the point in Britain having a seat at the UN anyway seeing as we always go along with whatever the US is doing? There is no point in having national sovereignty in the vitally important area of foreign affairs and defence if you hardly ever exercise it. Let's face some facts here, the reason the Tories and the The Scum (supporters of Brown and Bliar's Labour Party) are so uptight about the Reform Treaty's proposals in this area is because they want Britain to be permanently beholden to the USA. Personally, I would want to exercise some British independence in this area and that means occasionaly voting AGAINST the USA in the UN.

A single EU seat prevents UK independence. An idependent seat provides room for UK independence. The fatc that we have been very close to the USA is political. A future government may not be so close. We should have the room to decide our own policy rather than be forced to accept a common line.

The argument that a single EU voice would give the UK a bigger voice is nonsense. If all EU countires had independent seats then we could vote the same way when we felt it was right, but have the freedom to vote a different way if we did not feel it was right. A small independent voice is worth far more than a stronger, diluted, and potentially unrepresentative voice.

Independence Now! · 06-08-2007, 01:42 PM

Oh no, I'm not advocating we give-up our seat, far from it. I want us to retain it. What I am saying is that occasionaly it might be a good idea to take our own independent line in this vital area of government and not do as we normally do which is find-out what America's position is on anything and then copy it.

mkpdavies · 06-08-2007, 01:45 PM

The UN is a joke anyway. Waste of space.

g hall · 06-08-2007, 09:37 PM

Why don't the French give up their seat ?

Britannist · 06-08-2007, 10:51 PM

They're not giving anything up - including all that money they (the French) suck out of the UK via the EU Common Agricultural Policy.

Europhiles seem to be deliberately targeting the UK permanent seat on the UN Security Council (and not the French one so much or at all). Further evidence of the anti-British nature of those working in/supporting the EU.

06-08-2007, 03:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Give UK's top seat at United Nations to EU says Foreign Office Minister (claim) The UK's influential permanent seat on the United Nations security council should be given to the EU, a Labour Government Foreign Office minister has allegedly said : http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007360155,00.html

06-08-2007, 08:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
harryaldridge Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Sussex Posts: 1,912	That's his promotion now pencilled in then! Didn't he previously work for the UN? i wonder if somebody feels like looking up pension entitlements etc to see if there is any reason his loyalties might lie elsewhere. __________________ http://vindicovindico.blogspot.com

06-08-2007, 08:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,103 Party: Libertarian Party	Jesus, they are so brazen about it now. And yet the people of Britain and the rest of Europe slumber on. No wonder this continent finds itself in massive wars. It's people are so docile, so stupid. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

06-08-2007, 11:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
PolishUser Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 334	The UN is a communist organisation. Britain shouldn't be a member of it, and neither should Poland. __________________ A vote for the Labour Party or the SNP is a vote for the Argentine police state.

06-08-2007, 01:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,103 Party: Libertarian Party	The UN is a joke anyway. Waste of space. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

06-08-2007, 12:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	What is the point in Britain having a seat at the UN anyway seeing as we always go along with whatever the US is doing? There is no point in having national sovereignty in the vitally important area of foreign affairs and defence if you hardly ever exercise it. Let's face some facts here, the reason the Tories and the The Scum (supporters of Brown and Bliar's Labour Party) are so uptight about the Reform Treaty's proposals in this area is because they want Britain to be permanently beholden to the USA. Personally, I would want to exercise some British independence in this area and that means occasionaly voting AGAINST the USA in the UN.

06-08-2007, 01:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	Oh no, I'm not advocating we give-up our seat, far from it. I want us to retain it. What I am saying is that occasionaly it might be a good idea to take our own independent line in this vital area of government and not do as we normally do which is find-out what America's position is on anything and then copy it.

06-08-2007, 09:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,606	Why don't the French give up their seat ? __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." TANSTAAFL TANJ

06-08-2007, 10:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	French, EU, Common Agricultural Policy, UN, Security Council They're not giving anything up - including all that money they (the French) suck out of the UK via the EU Common Agricultural Policy. Europhiles seem to be deliberately targeting the UK permanent seat on the UN Security Council (and not the French one so much or at all). Further evidence of the anti-British nature of those working in/supporting the EU.

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