English Democrats - UKIP Announcement

Millennium3 · 01-08-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

If UKIP did not exist, Lab/Cons./Lib Dims would all be much more openly and actively pro-EU than at present.

The europhiles in those parties are only too aware of the existence of UKIP.

Yes I agree - but it would be a great deal better if UKIP would change in a way that gave some hope that it could win seats at Westminster.

cassie · 01-08-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

If it is a fact that there are Europhiles amongst the English Democrats, then they can't be very bright! I would have thought it was as plain as the nose on your face that as long as Britain/England remain a member of the EU, all political parties are an irrelevance! Until we leave the EU, we are masters only of our dreams!

I entirely agree, but there have been oodles of postings here previously, where scepticism has been expressed about whether EDP members' opposition to the EU is genuine!

Englishman · 01-08-2007, 05:37 PM

This is one of the main reasons why I left politics in general.
The nationalist parties are divided and ruled politicaly, which is a shame for the nationalist public.
The only quick way forward to get nationalist parties into power and to help save England and Britain for that matter, is for them to stop being divided by what they don’t agree on, and start being united by what they do agree on.
Sadly, politicaly, I really don't see this hapenning.
Just look at the attacks on each nationalist parties by each other, this is not a sign that these parties will join forces in any way shape or form.

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Originally Posted by Britannist

I've been calling for this for ages - all it would take to get such a sensible arrangement 'up and running' is for the leaderships of both parties to pick up the 'phone and have an informal chat.

David Samuel · 01-08-2007, 05:39 PM

I wonder if I am alone in becoming absolutely fed up with the hijacking of this forum by so-called 'English Democrats' peddling their propaganda of supposed defections by members of UKIP?

Their strategy is similar to the attempts of Lord Haw-Haw during WWII to sap our morale with extravagant stories of failure. Back then, the people of Britain treated him utter disdain and derision. We should do the same!

Populist Lee · 01-08-2007, 05:39 PM

Is UKIP a *nationalist* party?

Support for Globalism doesn't usually equate to a *nationalist* outlook.

Millennium3 · 01-08-2007, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Englishman

This is one of the main reasons why I left politics in general.
The nationalist parties are divided and ruled politicaly, which is a shame for the nationalist public.
The only quick way forward to get nationalist parties into power and to help save England and Britain for that matter, is for them to stop being divided by what they don’t agree on, and start being united by what they do agree on.
Sadly, politicaly, I really don't see this hapenning.
Just look at the attacks on each nationalist parties by each other, this is not a sign that these parties will join forces in any way shape or form.

If the leaders are not prepared to do as B and E says you have to assume they are working to a different agenda to that of the members.

ENGLISH JEW · 01-08-2007, 06:42 PM

Guys
The whole leadership of the Eng Dems and many of the party are anti EU and we oppose the way this government has taken us down the EU road without any form of referendum or people's vote - funny how it's not too disimilar to what Nu Labour did with devolution and how good ole England has had regionals forced upon us.
We do however owe it to the people of England to decide as this is what is called being democratic.

John Doe · 01-08-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

Is UKIP a *nationalist* party?

Support for Globalism doesn't usually equate to a *nationalist* outlook.

It is far too nationalist in my book. I say that because of its stance on immigration and its rhetoric about a number of other issues.

I don't see what you mean by support for globalism. Do you mean principally free trade? To me that is the opposite of (political) globalism, since it involves free competition between states and businesses.

It would be helpful for you to say what you see as constituting globalism in this context. Apologies if you have done this before and I have not seen it.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 01-08-2007, 08:00 PM

I think it's all down to branding

"English" is simply a much better brand then "UK"

mkpdavies · 01-08-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

I think it's all down to branding

"English" is simply a much better brand then "UK"

Show me your evidence that English buys you anything. The last time I looked, you were having your arses handed to you by the OMRLP.

BTW I don't think UK buys you anything either.

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ENGLISH JEW Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England's Jewel, Chester Posts: 61	Guys The whole leadership of the Eng Dems and many of the party are anti EU and we oppose the way this government has taken us down the EU road without any form of referendum or people's vote - funny how it's not too disimilar to what Nu Labour did with devolution and how good ole England has had regionals forced upon us. We do however owe it to the people of England to decide as this is what is called being democratic. __________________ Shalom 2nd Gerneration English & Proud This is more than just Politics Its PERSONAL www.justiceforengland.com

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Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,942	I think it's all down to branding "English" is simply a much better brand then "UK" __________________ English or British or European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

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01-08-2007, 05:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
David Samuel Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11	I wonder if I am alone in becoming absolutely fed up with the hijacking of this forum by so-called 'English Democrats' peddling their propaganda of supposed defections by members of UKIP? Their strategy is similar to the attempts of Lord Haw-Haw during WWII to sap our morale with extravagant stories of failure. Back then, the people of Britain treated him utter disdain and derision. We should do the same!

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Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,965	Is UKIP a nationalist party? Support for Globalism doesn't usually equate to a nationalist outlook.