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Old 06-08-2007, 08:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I would have hoped if people liked "getting and spending", then they would be even MORE interested, seeing as voting for Commies tends to me you have less scope to buy and spend.

However, I agree that some people may be drunk on it, so forget what important things are.
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I thought you might warm to my comments about women power!
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Default Counties...try going back to 527 AD

Populist Lee, you can go much further back than 925 to 950 AD for the formation of many English counties.

Take these three for example, I quote in each case from Wikipedia:

ESSEX

The name Essex derives from the East Seaxe or East Saxons. The Kingdom of Essex was traditionally founded by Aescwine in 527 AD, occupying territory to the north of the River Thames, incorporating much of what would later become Middlesex and Hertfordshire, though its territory was later restricted to lands east of the River Lee.

It is through this origin as one of the 'Saxon' kingdoms that Essex is specifically not part of the region known as East Anglia (the latter comprising Norfolk, Suffolk, and Cambridgeshire), settled by tribes calling themselves
'Anglian'...

KENT

The modern name of Kent is derived from the Brythonic word Cantus meaning "rim" or "border". This describes the eastern part of the current county area as a border land or coastal district. Julius Caesar had described the area as Cantium, or home of the Cantiaci in 51 BC.

The extreme west of the modern county was occupied by Iron Age tribes, known as the Regnenses. It is possible that another ethnic group occupied The Weald and East Kent. East Kent became a kingdom of the Jutes during the 5th Century and was known as Cantia from about 730 and as Cent in 835. The early medieval inhabitants of the county were known as the Cantwara, or Kent people. These people regarded the city of Canterbury as their capital.

BERKSHIRE

The county is one of the oldest in England. It may date from the 840s, the probable period of the unification of "Sunningum" (East Berkshire) and "Ashdown" (the Berkshire Downs, probably including the Kennet Valley). The county is first mentioned by name in 860...

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Note: The County of Berkshire, elevated to the status of the Royal County of Berkshire in the 1950s, is no more - at least in the sense that on 1 April 1998, Berkshire County Council ceased to exist. Prior to that it lost many lands south of the Thames to occupying Oxfordshire County Council under Edward Heath's local government 'reforms', while it gained Slough from Buckinghamshire.

Hardly a fair exchange.

So,

Berkshire survived...

The Norman Conquest,
The Reformation,
Cromwell's Republic and the Restoration,
Dozens of changes of Kings, Queens, dynasties and governments,

but not the CONSERVATIVE goverment of Heath, which mangled it,

nor the CONSERVATIVE government of Major, which finally abolished it (the actual abolition came in effect just after Major left office)

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As that nice Mr Mandelson said - we are in the post democratic era now!
In 1998 in Bonn he said:**
"We entered the Twentieth Century with a society of elites, with a very different class structure. In those days, it seemed natural to delegate important decisions to members of the land-owning elite. When in Britain, Labour emerged as the party which represented the industrial working class, it quickly developed its own elite of trade union bureaucrats, city bosses and socialist intellectuals. But that age has passed away".

The 21st Century will see a chioce between "direct democracy or dying democracy . . . [direct democracy amounts to the] abrogation of political responsibilty".

** The Guardian: 16 March 1998.


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Populist Lee, you can go much further back than 925 to 950 AD for the formation of many English counties.

Take these three for example, I quote in each case from Wikipedia:

ESSEX

The name Essex derives from the East Seaxe or East Saxons. The Kingdom of Essex was traditionally founded by Aescwine in 527 AD, occupying territory to the north of the River Thames, incorporating much of what would later become Middlesex and Hertfordshire, though its territory was later restricted to lands east of the River Lee.

It is through this origin as one of the 'Saxon' kingdoms that Essex is specifically not part of the region known as East Anglia (the latter comprising Norfolk, Suffolk, and Cambridgeshire), settled by tribes calling themselves
'Anglian'...

KENT

The modern name of Kent is derived from the Brythonic word Cantus meaning "rim" or "border". This describes the eastern part of the current county area as a border land or coastal district. Julius Caesar had described the area as Cantium, or home of the Cantiaci in 51 BC.

The extreme west of the modern county was occupied by Iron Age tribes, known as the Regnenses. It is possible that another ethnic group occupied The Weald and East Kent. East Kent became a kingdom of the Jutes during the 5th Century and was known as Cantia from about 730 and as Cent in 835. The early medieval inhabitants of the county were known as the Cantwara, or Kent people. These people regarded the city of Canterbury as their capital.

BERKSHIRE

The county is one of the oldest in England. It may date from the 840s, the probable period of the unification of "Sunningum" (East Berkshire) and "Ashdown" (the Berkshire Downs, probably including the Kennet Valley). The county is first mentioned by name in 860...

================================================== =====

Note: The County of Berkshire, elevated to the status of the Royal County of Berkshire in the 1950s, is no more - at least in the sense that on 1 April 1998, Berkshire County Council ceased to exist. Prior to that it lost many lands south of the Thames to occupying Oxfordshire County Council under Edward Heath's local government 'reforms', while it gained Slough from Buckinghamshire.

Hardly a fair exchange.

So,

Berkshire survived...

The Norman Conquest,
The Reformation,
Cromwell's Republic and the Restoration,
Dozens of changes of Kings, Queens, dynasties and governments,

but not the CONSERVATIVE goverment of Heath, which mangled it,

nor the CONSERVATIVE government of Major, which finally abolished it (the actual abolition came in effect just after Major left office)

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Thank you for the additional information.

WELL OVER a thousand years.
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