UKIP and EDs - the differences?

Britannist · 24-07-2007, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ModernUKIP

There's not a damn thing Salmond can do about it.

Since the europhile Scottish so-called nationalist Salmond

is being discusssed I just thought I would mention that his party (the pro-EU Scottish so-called National Party) claims to have a mandate in Scotland (to run the Scottish Executive) - but it actually got less votes in this year's Scottish Parliamentary election than did the Conservatives in Scotland under the leadership of Mrs. (now Lady) Thatcher at the 1987 General Election.

Salmond

- not the nicest person in the world according to some - needs to be reminded of this fact at an appropriate moment.

David Agnew · 30-07-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by brian lee

The UKIP proposal would only work if the Scots and Welsh willingly handed back power.

Why? The Ukip policy would work if the powers of the devolved parliaments remain exactly the same.

brian lee · 30-07-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by David Agnew

Why? The Ukip policy would work if the powers of the devolved parliaments remain exactly the same.

If my understanding of Ukip policy is correct the government and leaders of political parties could still be foreigners without any mandate from the English, and they are the people that run the show. Therefore you would need duplicate leaders, ministers and speakers elected by English constituencies when parliament is discussing English matters.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 01-08-2007, 09:03 PM

There is little difference between UKIP and the EngDems in terms of policy.

However "English" is simply a better brand then "UK".

Most UKIP members consider themselves to be English.

The other difference is that the English Democrats is a Democratically run party, with nice people in it !

ENGLISH JEW · 04-08-2007, 08:40 AM

'The BNP want to hold the sinking ship together, though at least they would have an English parliament'.

I laughed on two fronts with this comment, the BNP only want to hold a WHITE ship together and that's where one of your problems are. You will never ever loose this tag and that is why you are finished, you will always be a protest vote and nothing else, you've been going for 27 years and have not got 1 MP or MEP yet .

While the BNP state they support an EP, i do not believe they do, they are just trying to come onto our platform as they now realise that the English and all who live in England regardless of colour have a cause and issues that will take centre stage in British politics for years. It's too late for you guys, the people of England want a none racist party that will stand up for them and fight agains discrimination - the BNP have never and will never do this.

For_England · 04-08-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ENGLISH JEW

'The BNP want to hold the sinking ship together, though at least they would have an English parliament'.

I laughed on two fronts with this comment, the BNP only want to hold a WHITE ship together and that's where one of your problems are.

I was referring to the UK as a political entity.

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It's too late for you guys, the people of England want a none racist party that will stand up for them and fight agains discrimination - the BNP have never and will never do this.

I think you are seriously misreading the times. The day of the English being denied an ethnic identity of their own is fast coming to an end, as people see that industrialisation and enlightenment philosophies have left them rootless and soul-less. They are digging in deep again, and as disastrous effects of multi-culturalism continue to blight our land, the BNP will increasingly be seen as the only option. Disagree with this assessment, by all means; I am confident that the progression of time will justify it.

ENGLISH JEW · 04-08-2007, 07:24 PM

I just can't ever see the BNP being treated as anything other than a protest vote. There are very few decent people within the BNP and once you scratch the surfice then you realise what sort of decaying, rancid and outdated views they have.

For a party that pretends to hold the baton for being anti immigration, actually the BNP hold out a hand to white kindred european nationals and actively support these groups so the white immigrants coming in from places like Poland are actually welcomed by the BNP so this just shows that there actual issue is one of SKIN COLOUR.

I wonder what the BNP policy is on the barnett formula and perscription charges, cancer drugs, hospital waiting times, class sizes, our OAP's having to sell their homes to fund care and our students having to fork out £3k per year just to go to higher education.

People do not buy their brand, the british brand is going and more and more people within England call themselves ENGLISH. This is something that every unionist party will have to understand if they are to survive

For_England · 04-08-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ENGLISH JEW

I just can't ever see the BNP being treated as anything other than a protest vote. There are very few decent people within the BNP and once you scratch the surfice then you realise what sort of decaying, rancid and outdated views they have.

Again, I have to disagree, and we'll have to wait and see. They certainly need more people like Andrew Spence to join and give them greater visible respectability. But I am not convinced they are as bad as people make out. I am thinking of joining them myself, and have very strong views on the need for limited and representative government, not fascism.

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For a party that pretends to hold the baton for being anti immigration, actually the BNP hold out a hand to white kindred european nationals and actively support these groups so the white immigrants coming in from places like Poland are actually welcomed by the BNP so this just shows that there actual issue is one of SKIN COLOUR.

Not quite. They are very opposed to the recent mass immigration from Poland, and would deport those people after withdrawing from the EU. They also oppose how immigration of any colour drives down the wages of the working classes in the UK, and puts up housing prices.

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I wonder what the BNP policy is on the barnett formula and perscription charges, cancer drugs, hospital waiting times, class sizes, our OAP's having to sell their homes to fund care and our students having to fork out £3k per year just to go to higher education.

I could hazard some informed guesses - they want to expand access to non-traditional healthcare, as well as restore the NHS to the standards it once held. By wiping out much of government and leaving the EU, they would redirect the necessary funds into training British (white and black) nurses and doctors, rather than foreign ones who are most needed where they are at. The NHS would no longer be under the drain of mass immigration. They would, I presume, restore free higher education, for those taking national service, and would reintroduce grammar scholars for primary education.

ENGLISH JEW · 04-08-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bnpforme

Again, I have to disagree, and we'll have to wait and see. They certainly need more people like Andrew Spence to join and give them greater visible respectability. But I am not convinced they are as bad as people make out. I am thinking of joining them myself, and have very strong views on the need for limited and representative government, not fascism.

Not quite. They are very opposed to the recent mass immigration from Poland, and would deport those people after withdrawing from the EU. They also oppose how immigration of any colour drives down the wages of the working classes in the UK, and puts up housing prices.

I could hazard some informed guesses - they want to expand access to non-traditional healthcare, as well as restore the NHS to the standards it once held. By wiping out much of government and leaving the EU, they would redirect the necessary funds into training British (white and black) nurses and doctors, rather than foreign ones who are most needed where they are at. The NHS would no longer be under the drain of mass immigration. They would, I presume, restore free higher education, for those taking national service, and would reintroduce grammar scholars for primary education.

Well this is typical of a response from someone who's linked to the BNP, you have given no answer whatsoever in your last paragraph as to what the BNP would do with such issues as the barnett formula, perscriptions, elderly care etc etc - the barnett formula has been around since the early 70's so for the last 30 or so years the English have been fleeced of their money to fund to other parts of the UK. You mentioned the NHS, so what would the BNP do to a woman who lives in England who is denied life saving cancer drugs just because she lives in England but if she lived in Scotland or Wales then she'd get these drugs -

the BNP is about colour and colour alone and yet they pretend to stand up for the ordinary folk. They talk about Ethnic British and yet where do you draw the line, how long does someone have to live here to be able to consider themselves British - is it 10 years, 50 years, 100 years, 250 years etc etc = please advise

TonyG · 04-08-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ENGLISH JEW

the BNP is about colour and colour alone and yet they pretend to stand up for the ordinary folk. They talk about Ethnic British and yet where do you draw the line, how long does someone have to live here to be able to consider themselves British - is it 10 years, 50 years, 100 years, 250 years etc etc = please advise

According to a couple of BNP members, one of whom was a regional organiser for the party, you cannot be English unless you are white.
As far as he was concerned, Cliff Richard should not be allowed in the country because there has been the suggestion that there may be a touch of the tarbrush back in his family history several generations ago. In spite of looking back at his family tree I coudn;t see any evidence of that, but it made no difference, he was born in India and that was good enough for him.
It would certainly be essential for the BNP to instigate the Gene Police, or the Racial Purity Bureau if they are to ensure that they get complete 'voluntary repatriation', even for people who are sixth or seventh generation British.
Not that the BNP would creat ANY sort of police state!

01-08-2007, 09:03 PM	#64 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,972 Party: English Democrats	There is little difference between UKIP and the EngDems in terms of policy. However "English" is simply a better brand then "UK". Most UKIP members consider themselves to be English. The other difference is that the English Democrats is a Democratically run party, with nice people in it ! __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

04-08-2007, 08:40 AM	#65 (permalink)
ENGLISH JEW Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England's Jewel, Chester Posts: 119 Party: English Democrats	'The BNP want to hold the sinking ship together, though at least they would have an English parliament'. I laughed on two fronts with this comment, the BNP only want to hold a WHITE ship together and that's where one of your problems are. You will never ever loose this tag and that is why you are finished, you will always be a protest vote and nothing else, you've been going for 27 years and have not got 1 MP or MEP yet . While the BNP state they support an EP, i do not believe they do, they are just trying to come onto our platform as they now realise that the English and all who live in England regardless of colour have a cause and issues that will take centre stage in British politics for years. It's too late for you guys, the people of England want a none racist party that will stand up for them and fight agains discrimination - the BNP have never and will never do this. __________________ Shalom 2nd Gerneration English & Proud This is more than just Politics Its PERSONAL www.justiceforengland.com

04-08-2007, 07:24 PM	#67 (permalink)
ENGLISH JEW Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England's Jewel, Chester Posts: 119 Party: English Democrats	I just can't ever see the BNP being treated as anything other than a protest vote. There are very few decent people within the BNP and once you scratch the surfice then you realise what sort of decaying, rancid and outdated views they have. For a party that pretends to hold the baton for being anti immigration, actually the BNP hold out a hand to white kindred european nationals and actively support these groups so the white immigrants coming in from places like Poland are actually welcomed by the BNP so this just shows that there actual issue is one of SKIN COLOUR. I wonder what the BNP policy is on the barnett formula and perscription charges, cancer drugs, hospital waiting times, class sizes, our OAP's having to sell their homes to fund care and our students having to fork out £3k per year just to go to higher education. People do not buy their brand, the british brand is going and more and more people within England call themselves ENGLISH. This is something that every unionist party will have to understand if they are to survive __________________ Shalom 2nd Gerneration English & Proud This is more than just Politics Its PERSONAL www.justiceforengland.com

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