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Old 15-07-2007, 07:39 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I am feeling that the process of the UK breaking up is accelerating. I have always assumed that if it happened, it would be a gradual and civilised divorce. I think if we can have soon that fairer devolotion we both want, the risks of enmity and violence will be low. But there is a head of steam building up and hotheads on both sides of the Tweed might start looking for trouble.

Unfortunately it is in the shortsighted party political interest of Labour not to give the English an inch at present. So first in 1998 Labour break the Union and then by their inaction since they are creating the possibility of an very unpleasant division.

Institutions are built over time. The Union was a very precious, remarkable and successful institition. What constitutional vandalism Labour wrought.

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Old 15-07-2007, 09:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I am feeling that the process of the UK breaking up is accelerating. Unfortunately it is in the shortsighted party political interest of Labour not to give the English an inch at present. So first in 1998 Labour break the Union and then by their inaction since they are creating the possibility of an very unpleasant division.

What constitutional vandalism Labour wrought.

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Good to hear from you Andrew.

The person in UKIP who made the remark to me that the Union of the UK "is finished" is just the sort of person who has been loyal to the Union Flag (Union Jack) and who is, in fact, partly Scottish (although majority English).

If people such as my UKIP friend are talking like this - then the Union of the UK is in big trouble.

If we were all able to go back to a unitary UK (i.e. to the United Great Britain and Northern Ireland we had before Labour's badly thought out and unfair devolution to all parts of the UK except England in 1999) I would welcome it - but I cannot see the Scottish electorate voting to do that if they were offered the option in a referendum.

As for Blair and Brown's Lie-bour Party - as I have written on the pages of this forum before: Labour will - one day - pay very heavy, electorally, for their anti-Englishness.

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The SNP (Scottish so-called National Party) are bogus Scottish patriots. They claim to be Scottish Nationalists - but are in fact european Nationalists who would transfer the power and sovereignty recovered from Westminster straight to Brussels. They seek to destroy the Scottish Pound and turn Scotland into an EU-controlled province.

Forgive me, but I can't agree with your generous comments about the SNP.

Whatever one thinks about the Union of the UK (and I support a reformed Union in which England has equality with Scotland within it) there is no advantage to us - the people of England - in the SNP being successful in any way.
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I'm proud to be English - and I want a Government with people in it who are proud to be English and who are not afraid to say so.

The anti-English element must be seen off.
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Old 15-07-2007, 09:44 PM   #35 (permalink)
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The SNP (Scottish so-called National Party) are bogus Scottish patriots. They claim to be Scottish Nationalists - but are in fact european Nationalists who would transfer the power and sovereignty recovered from Westminster straight to Brussels. They seek to destroy the Scottish Pound and turn Scotland into an EU-controlled province.

Forgive me, but I can't agree with your generous comments about the SNP.

Whatever one thinks about the Union of the UK (and I support a reformed Union in which England has equality with Scotland within it) there is no advantage to us - the people of England - in the SNP being successful in any way.
I totally agree that the SNP are bad for Scotland. I'm sorry for being cynical, but I just think that Scotland will only continue to drag British politics to the left. If they want their own destruction, let them not drag us down with them. That's sounds horrible I know, but that's how I feel right now. I realise it's not totally the Scots' fault - gerrymandering favours the Left. But I'm not sure England has enough time left to wait for the Scots to wake up.
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I totally agree that the SNP are bad for Scotland.
They're no good for England either - whether there's a UK or not.
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Scotland will only continue to drag British politics to the left.
The 'backbone' of the Labour Party is Scottish. Its founders included many Scots. I would suggest that many of the pro-free enterprise and anti-left Scots have actually moved out of Scotland to England, Canada, Australia and so on.

It is disturbing how the broad left in Scotland (which include the europhile Liberal Dims and, of course, the socialistic Scottish National Party) hold most of the Scottish constituency seats at Westminster and in the EU-backed Scottish Parliament. I was reading an article a few weeks ago which said that Scotland has just about the largest state sector (state spending and state employment) after the communist-controlled nation of North Korea.
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What intrigues me is that genuine patriotic movements supporting Scottish and Welsh independence / devolution do not exist at the moment. Technically this is a gap in the political spectrum. It makes me wonder if there is any patriotism and opposition to the EU outside of England. There are some English patriots who think that Scotland and Wales are pro EU nations dominated by a liberal left population, which will bog down and hinder the anti EU patriotic movement in England. This is further reinforced by the low penetration of UKIP and the BNP in Scotland and Wales.

Ulster is a special case stuck in its own strange political world and still fighting the Battle of the Boyne rather than 21st century battles such as the EU, globalisation, and Islamic terrorism. Some English patriots think that the DUP and UUP will do little to help England fight its 21st century battles unless some condition is reached demanding them to actively participate, or Ulster given forced independence from England.
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I think a large part of the problem is that they simply haven't experienced multi-culturalism to the extant we have. Second, they see BNP, UKIP etc as English parties. I can't see any other solution than an SNP government in Scotland.
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I'm proud to be English - and I want a Government with people in it who are proud to be English and who are not afraid to say so.

The anti-English element must be seen off.
It is none of my personal business of course but it appears to me that your posts are somewhat increasingly sympathetic to the English Democrat party. Some of those (eg, Andrew Constantine) are transparently hoping to attract you to that party.

So I was wondering whether you feel you might consider thinking about joining them in the near future (with their at best ambivalent views on the Union and a theoretically loseable referendum on whether we stay in the new European empire) or if you still remain committed to the dedicated Unionist & EU withdrawlist policies of the UK Independence Party. So sorry to bother you with that question but I considered it worth asking. I am personally happy to remain a member of the UK Independence Party in case anyone is interested.
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