Libertarian UK

mkpdavies · 01-07-2007, 01:34 PM

http://www.libertarianuk.net/

If a libertarian party springs up in the UK, I will probably join it.

Michael Heaver · 01-07-2007, 03:05 PM

Interesting concepts.

Westcountryman · 01-07-2007, 03:33 PM

This should interest you MKP:

http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf

g hall · 01-07-2007, 04:39 PM

How close to true anarchy will they need to be (N.B. When I speak of anarchy I don't mean sullen teenagers with a red A on a black tee shirt or the Sex Pistols or bomb throwing Russians)

Have a look at Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

The problem is the human condition cannot trust each other enough so I suspect that some form of government is needed but as light as possible

tito · 01-07-2007, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

http://www.libertarianuk.net/

If a libertarian party springs up in the UK, I will probably join it.

Erm... That is Chris Mounsey's new project, and he is in UKIP.

That was his agenda for the NEC, libertarianism.

UKIP could be made libertarian so easily and it would be such an effective rebrand.

mkpdavies · 01-07-2007, 06:02 PM

The UKIP membership chose not to support good people like Toby Micklethwait and Chris, so I am pretty much sure it isn't the party for me anymore. Until something better springs up though, it's all I have got.

I'm not convinced the UKIP brand is worth anything anyway. It seems to damage people more than help them in elections.

I'd like to see a Libertarian leaning party, aligned with the Ron Paul revolution in the USA spring up. Sure it would be anti-EU, as a libertarian party could never support government on such a scale, but it would not be the underpinning of the party, as it is with UKIP.

Freedom and liberty for the indervidual and then utter harshness for those that hurt others. That seems like a more solid foundation to me.

William MacDougall · 01-07-2007, 06:56 PM

A Libertarian party would not be wise. Purely libertarian and classical liberal parties have never in the last 50 years got more than 5 or 10% of the vote anywhere; these ideas simply do not command wide enough support. Libertarians are much better off working in coalition with traditional conservatives and other centre-right flavours. For a long time that broad coalition was the secret of success for the Conservative Party. Now that it has gone off the rails and UKIP is becoming much more than a single issue party, many on the centre-right are looking to it as a natural home.

mkpdavies · 01-07-2007, 10:17 PM

I think we will see a swing back to people wanting personal liberty first again. May take a few years, but when the true damage of socialism kicks in, people will want a ready made solution.

Again this bloke sums it up for me.

You Tube

01-07-2007, 01:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,806	Libertarian UK http://www.libertarianuk.net/ If a libertarian party springs up in the UK, I will probably join it. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	This should interest you MKP: http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

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g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,522	How close to true anarchy will they need to be (N.B. When I speak of anarchy I don't mean sullen teenagers with a red A on a black tee shirt or the Sex Pistols or bomb throwing Russians) Have a look at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy The problem is the human condition cannot trust each other enough so I suspect that some form of government is needed but as light as possible __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,806	The UKIP membership chose not to support good people like Toby Micklethwait and Chris, so I am pretty much sure it isn't the party for me anymore. Until something better springs up though, it's all I have got. I'm not convinced the UKIP brand is worth anything anyway. It seems to damage people more than help them in elections. I'd like to see a Libertarian leaning party, aligned with the Ron Paul revolution in the USA spring up. Sure it would be anti-EU, as a libertarian party could never support government on such a scale, but it would not be the underpinning of the party, as it is with UKIP. Freedom and liberty for the indervidual and then utter harshness for those that hurt others. That seems like a more solid foundation to me. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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01-07-2007, 03:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Michael Heaver Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 394 Party: UKIP	Interesting concepts.

01-07-2007, 06:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
William MacDougall Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 23	A Libertarian party would not be wise. Purely libertarian and classical liberal parties have never in the last 50 years got more than 5 or 10% of the vote anywhere; these ideas simply do not command wide enough support. Libertarians are much better off working in coalition with traditional conservatives and other centre-right flavours. For a long time that broad coalition was the secret of success for the Conservative Party. Now that it has gone off the rails and UKIP is becoming much more than a single issue party, many on the centre-right are looking to it as a natural home.