mkpdavies

An interesting admission from the English Democrats that they are not as Eurosceptic as UKIP.

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andypandy

UKIP is NOT a eurosceptic party. If anything, its actions over the last 15 years have been towards the aim of splitting any eurosceptic vote by refusing to co-operate with any other like minded parties and has ensured that in the past, present and future, that the anti-EU movement is likely to suffer defeat after defeat because of petty and stupid attitudes held by those that regard UKIP as a superior force.

UKIPs electoral successes are SOLELY the result of, ironically, PR Euro elections, and has seen failure and dismal result after dismal result, year after year. The party party has made virtually NO impact on local politics, despite as in this year, fielding over or near 1,000 canidates. It has seen the party lose HUNDREDS of deposits in general election after general election, each being fought with the assumption that "we expect to win maybe one or two seats".

The party has spent possibly MILLIONS of pounds since its creation despite seeing virtually nothing in return with little thought to the consequences of ill-thought out campaigns, and this from people who assume they have the ability to run the budget of a nation that runs into hundreds of billions of pounds!

The BEST thing that could happen to the anti-EU movement is for UKIP to be disbanded and clear the field for other parties to achieve what UKIP has miserably failed to do from its tens of thousands of members past and present.

Millennium3

I wonder if anyone could put up a cogent argument refuting this!

Not the usual glib response - if possible.

Englander 1

As an active member of the English Democrats I am really pleased our party is promoting a more positive stance on the EU.

What I cannot understand is the continued attacks on the party from people posting on this forum who are poorly informed on what the party stands for?

The asymmetrical devolution that has been imposed in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland cannot be reversed. It has led to social injustices that will no longer be tolerated by the people of England. English demand for justice has fomented a new and vigourous English Nationalist movement that will not be denied.

Scotland’s clamour for independence, supported by the English, is now so strong that some think that it will inevitably lead to the end of Britain as we know it. A liberated England will justifiably demand full fiscal independence and will inevitably pursue policies that have been hitherto confined to the nationalist’s parties of the smaller countries of Britain. The genie of self-determination has been un-bottled by Labour’s lopsided devolution and is now far too strong to be confined.

The very existence of the EU is increasingly being questioned by a growing number of European wide nationalist parties who are concerned about loss of their nationhood.

Those of the major parties are directly responsible for this dire situation and continued support for them will only serve to encourage their destructive ambition.

If you have any sense of pride in your country...England...you should realise that more than ever it is important to do what ever you can to spread the word.....action is needed.

I do my bit through the English Democrats, some of you do your bit through UKIP.....what is important is that we need to convince more people to do something!

Millennium3

The real and justified concern about the ED's is that a significant proprtion wish to break the Union - this however, should not prevent an anti EU alliance at the next GE, on a limited programme.

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M3

That is not correct the union is already divided because of the current botched up forms of devoltion.....The English Democrats are fighting for a fair deal for England in a Federal UK.

Millennium3

I agree with what you say - but are you denying that there is a significant element of your party who are either unconcerned if the Union is broken - or even working towards that end?

Johnny Hates Jazz

I believe that many people do confuse

United Kingdom, Britain and England

Many UKIP people consider UKIP to be a pro-England Party.

UKIP is at the best neutral to England, UKIP like the rest of the unionist parties believes in "keeping the Union at all costs to England"

This is why many pro-English UKIP members are moving over to the English Democrats.

With more ex-UKIPPERS in the English Democrats then the EUssr issue will no doubt get much bigger within the English Democrats.

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Hartlepool

The ED is full of jocks,trying their best to break up the Union.

They and the ED have no chance in doing this of course.

rjt

No single political party could break the Union be it the ED party or anyone else although Mr Blair and the labour party is having a good try.

What is clear is that the blair government has shattered the status quo and that the Union is not viable in its present form, this does not mean it has to break up simply that we need a new settlement.