Labour to make Welsh Assembly more powerful weakening UK

Britannist · 12-06-2007, 06:14 PM

News of Labour's plan to make the Welsh Assembly more powerful - and thus the UK weaker (with the support of the anti-UK and pro-EU Welsh National Party (Plaid Cymru) which seeks to turn the Welsh Assembly into a full Parliament - and, if some Welsh Nationalists have their way, a Parliament out of the UK altogether):

BBC 1 Television Ceefax (analogue page 114) says that the "Plaid Cymru is likely to enter formal talks on forming a coalition Welsh Assembly Government with Labour." :evil:

The BBC claims that Plaid Cymru (a europhile party which wants self-government for Wales with many of its members wanting Wales out of the UK altogether) "had been given an offer that would be very difficult to refuse" (by Labour) according (the BBC reports) to a "senior Plaid Cymru source".

Apparently, Plaid Cymru has been given a promise by Labour that there will be "a referendum on full assembly powers." :x

The BBC states that Plaid Cymru will discuss the referendum plan on Tuesday evening. Someone described by BBC Ceefax as "a senior party member" said that "it was an odds-on certainty" that Plaid Cymru would back more talks with the Welsh Labour Party (which is a few seats short of an overall majority in the Welsh Assembly elected last month).

Britannist adds: Labour gave the Welsh Assembly extra powers a few months ago - but this did not prevent it from losing overall control of the Welsh Assembly in elections held last month. Labour is now prepared to further weaken the UK by making the Welsh Assembly more powerful in order to keep hold of the largest slice of power in the Assembly. :evil:

TonyG · 12-06-2007, 06:54 PM

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Apparently, Plaid Cymru has been given a promise by Labour that there will be "a referendum on full assembly powers."

No doubt that when they do it, everything will be free in Wales to those who can prove residence for at least five prior generations... subject to being funded by English taxpayers of course!
That won't of course be difficult, half of them have never even left their villages, boyo!

stathan · 12-06-2007, 07:15 PM

Tony

Have you considered that its ill informed morons such as yourself that encourage Welsh and Scottish Nationalism and also helps the English as a race to be generally despised around the World?

TonyG · 12-06-2007, 07:16 PM

Have you ever considered that you might just be an idiot or an arsehole?

TonyG · 12-06-2007, 07:17 PM

So voting themselves free prescriptions and no tolls on the Severn Bridge wasn't giving the Welsh something for nothing, that we are all paying for?
Dipstick.

stathan · 12-06-2007, 07:26 PM

As pointed out before.

The Welsh have a budget to spend, what the clowns running the country spend it on is up to them not you!

Even a moron such as yourself should be able to work out that the £29m spent annually on free prescriptions comes out of the Welsh NHS budget and thus is diverted from other areas within the Welsh NHS.

Which is just one reason why Wales with a population of just 3m has larger waiting lists for just about every condition than England with a population of 50M, in some cases Welsh waiting lists are literally 7 or 8 times the size of the entire equivelent list in England.

So if you'd like to swop paying a fiver once in a blue moon for a handful of antibiotics for waiting lists similar to those in Wales please start campaigning and show us how thick you really are.

I'm not really sure what you are wittering on about no tolls on the Severn bridge, I suggest that you don't try to cross without paying.

TonyG · 12-06-2007, 07:40 PM

The NHS is a black hole wherever it is situated.
Do you seriously think that they will not come back for more cash when they run out?
Every PCT in the country does the same, or runs up deficits until the government agrees to bale them out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../02/dl0201.xml

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On its own, the fact that a prescription that costs £6.85 in England is now gratis in Wales might not seem to amount to much. The decision of the Welsh Assembly to stop charging for medicines will cost about £30 million in its first year, and £30 million is not a vast sum in the grand scheme of governmental profligacy.

More significant, though, is that it will inevitably be £30 million of English money that makes up the shortfall. Members of the Welsh Assembly know this perfectly well, but then it is their job, like that of any other national assembly, to do their best for their own electorate.

There has long been pressure to end the tolls on the Severn Bridge, seen as a tax on Wales (by the Welsh), there were moves recently to vote on ending it to pressurise the DOT into scrapping it.

As for you being so ******* rude, you really ought to learn some manners even if you don't know how to use them.

Millennium3 · 12-06-2007, 07:50 PM

Well I am glad that that has been settled amicably.

TonyG · 12-06-2007, 07:52 PM

stathan · 12-06-2007, 08:11 PM

I'm not really sure that you or the Torygraph have a clue what you're talking about.

The Welsh budget amounts to £14billion whichever way its divvied up, if £29m is spent on free prescriptions then quite obviously then it has been taken from elsewhere within the Welsh budget to the detriment of that particular area of spending.

As you so clearly point out we have to pay to get into our own country, my sugestion is either every single bridge in Britain is made into a toll bridge or none are allowed, we all pay the same road tax so why is the Severn Bridge (or for that matter the Humber) a toll bridge.

As for your ludicrous suggestion that there are moves to scrap the toll on the Severn, you quite clearly have no idea what you are on about, of course everybody in Wales wants the entry fee to our country removed, but due to the English based government flogging it off to the French along with the now French owned Welsh valleys, depopulated before flooding in order to provide drinking water and sanitation for the West Midlands and North West of England, then I would suggest that any charge scrapping is in the hands of your French friends more than the Welsh.

As regards your pathetic attempt to suggest that the English taxpayer is subsidising Wales, then it might be worth pointing out that there is currently much conjecture about this on a number of points, one being that many English owned business' with Welsh branches see the money returned to their English based accounts departments before tax and profits figures are declared as produced in England.

Secondly you of course are conveniently forgetting that 25% of the population of Wales are English born, and of course soak up the taxes raised by hard working Welsh exiles in England if you are sticking to your England is subsidising Wales line.

If this contentious and disputed point is actually true then of course you must also be referring to the 25% English born population of Wales that are bleeding you dry as well as the odd Taff. Of course when you take into account the North Wales coast resorts that are totally infested and overun with Scouse and other Northern Doleys bumming their days away, then you must surely be able to see why you are working so hard to support these areas.

As regards harsh words, don't dish them out if you aren't prepared to cop for flack back, a typical coward starts dishing out insults but whines when they recieve some in return, if the cap fits wear it.

12-06-2007, 06:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Labour to make Welsh Assembly more powerful weakening UK News of Labour's plan to make the Welsh Assembly more powerful - and thus the UK weaker (with the support of the anti-UK and pro-EU Welsh National Party (Plaid Cymru) which seeks to turn the Welsh Assembly into a full Parliament - and, if some Welsh Nationalists have their way, a Parliament out of the UK altogether): BBC 1 Television Ceefax (analogue page 114) says that the "Plaid Cymru is likely to enter formal talks on forming a coalition Welsh Assembly Government with Labour." :evil: The BBC claims that Plaid Cymru (a europhile party which wants self-government for Wales with many of its members wanting Wales out of the UK altogether) "had been given an offer that would be very difficult to refuse" (by Labour) according (the BBC reports) to a "senior Plaid Cymru source". Apparently, Plaid Cymru has been given a promise by Labour that there will be "a referendum on full assembly powers." :x The BBC states that Plaid Cymru will discuss the referendum plan on Tuesday evening. Someone described by BBC Ceefax as "a senior party member" said that "it was an odds-on certainty" that Plaid Cymru would back more talks with the Welsh Labour Party (which is a few seats short of an overall majority in the Welsh Assembly elected last month). Britannist adds: Labour gave the Welsh Assembly extra powers a few months ago - but this did not prevent it from losing overall control of the Welsh Assembly in elections held last month. Labour is now prepared to further weaken the UK by making the Welsh Assembly more powerful in order to keep hold of the largest slice of power in the Assembly. :evil:

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TonyG Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,589	So voting themselves free prescriptions and no tolls on the Severn Bridge wasn't giving the Welsh something for nothing, that we are all paying for? Dipstick. __________________ If you don't think you can change the world, who do you expect to do it for you? ---- http://www.mercola.com/townofallopat...ofallopath.htm

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12-06-2007, 07:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
stathan Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 375	Tony Have you considered that its ill informed morons such as yourself that encourage Welsh and Scottish Nationalism and also helps the English as a race to be generally despised around the World?

12-06-2007, 07:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
stathan Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 375	As pointed out before. The Welsh have a budget to spend, what the clowns running the country spend it on is up to them not you! Even a moron such as yourself should be able to work out that the £29m spent annually on free prescriptions comes out of the Welsh NHS budget and thus is diverted from other areas within the Welsh NHS. Which is just one reason why Wales with a population of just 3m has larger waiting lists for just about every condition than England with a population of 50M, in some cases Welsh waiting lists are literally 7 or 8 times the size of the entire equivelent list in England. So if you'd like to swop paying a fiver once in a blue moon for a handful of antibiotics for waiting lists similar to those in Wales please start campaigning and show us how thick you really are. I'm not really sure what you are wittering on about no tolls on the Severn bridge, I suggest that you don't try to cross without paying.

12-06-2007, 07:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,873	Well I am glad that that has been settled amicably.

12-06-2007, 08:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
stathan Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 375	I'm not really sure that you or the Torygraph have a clue what you're talking about. The Welsh budget amounts to £14billion whichever way its divvied up, if £29m is spent on free prescriptions then quite obviously then it has been taken from elsewhere within the Welsh budget to the detriment of that particular area of spending. As you so clearly point out we have to pay to get into our own country, my sugestion is either every single bridge in Britain is made into a toll bridge or none are allowed, we all pay the same road tax so why is the Severn Bridge (or for that matter the Humber) a toll bridge. As for your ludicrous suggestion that there are moves to scrap the toll on the Severn, you quite clearly have no idea what you are on about, of course everybody in Wales wants the entry fee to our country removed, but due to the English based government flogging it off to the French along with the now French owned Welsh valleys, depopulated before flooding in order to provide drinking water and sanitation for the West Midlands and North West of England, then I would suggest that any charge scrapping is in the hands of your French friends more than the Welsh. As regards your pathetic attempt to suggest that the English taxpayer is subsidising Wales, then it might be worth pointing out that there is currently much conjecture about this on a number of points, one being that many English owned business' with Welsh branches see the money returned to their English based accounts departments before tax and profits figures are declared as produced in England. Secondly you of course are conveniently forgetting that 25% of the population of Wales are English born, and of course soak up the taxes raised by hard working Welsh exiles in England if you are sticking to your England is subsidising Wales line. If this contentious and disputed point is actually true then of course you must also be referring to the 25% English born population of Wales that are bleeding you dry as well as the odd Taff. Of course when you take into account the North Wales coast resorts that are totally infested and overun with Scouse and other Northern Doleys bumming their days away, then you must surely be able to see why you are working so hard to support these areas. As regards harsh words, don't dish them out if you aren't prepared to cop for flack back, a typical coward starts dishing out insults but whines when they recieve some in return, if the cap fits wear it.