Scots to get free university education but not English-Welsh

Britannist · 10-06-2007, 03:33 AM

Brief extracts from today’s Sunday Times:

British taxpayers are to meet the £2 billion cost of reintroducing free university education in Scotland – but students from England and Wales will still have to pay the full fees.

In the decade since devolution, Scotland has made use of its grant from Westminster to subsidise care homes for the elderly and to authorise the use of a wide range of cancer drugs denied to patients south of the border. It receives approximately £1,500 more per head than England.

Students from the European Union will also receive free education from 2009 unless they come from England, Wales or Northern Ireland.

There's more on this at:

:arrow:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1909775.ece

IceDragon · 10-06-2007, 11:03 AM

The people who run the union do so in the best interests of one country and one country alone, not in the best interests of the union. It is not enough for that to happen of course, the system has to be seen to be working against the interests of England and Wales.

mkpdavies · 10-06-2007, 11:48 AM

It's just incredible. Almost like it is planned to **** off the English.

rjt · 10-06-2007, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

It's just incredible. Almost like it is planned to p*** off the English.

I dont know if it is planned or not but I more than expect it has the result that you describe.

It is simply unbeleivable to think that Blair did not see this coming when he implemented devolution, I am sure it was delibertate, the irony is that devolution was seen has a way of killing off Scots and Welsh Nationalism, we now have a Socts Nats MSP as first minister of Scotland and the likelehood of a PC first minister in Wales not to mention an Republican IRA Godfather in the deputy First Ministers job in Northern Ireland.

That is the true legacy of Blairs devolution project.

eublues · 10-06-2007, 12:13 PM

The Scottish situation is mind-boggling!!!

However, even without that, it's crazy that non-British EU students can come to England and get a guaranteed £3000 p.a. cheap loan for the 'top-up' element of the fees. UK taxpayers are paying for this and the rest of the real cost of the course (>10k p.a. for things like medicine or engineering)!

It is obvious that this arrangement is one-sided as young people from just about anywhere see studying in English as a big plus for them.

g hall · 10-06-2007, 04:48 PM

Racist again

Andrew Constantine · 10-06-2007, 08:56 PM

The comments made above show why we need an Englsih Parliament to start looking after the interests of English taxpayers.

This story about free universities for Scots and other EU nationals is just the tip of the iceberg of anti English policies.

It is likely to get worse as Labour really needs to regain Scotland from the SNP. Labour will have to stuff English gold down Scottish mouths or the SNP will make further headway.

The case for an English Parliament (assuming that devolution cannot be reversed) seems unanswerable.

Andrew Constantine

jim h · 11-06-2007, 05:46 AM

Surely an English student who wants to go to a Scottish Uni should take this to the Race Relations board?

rjt · 11-06-2007, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

The comments made above show why we need an Englsih Parliament to start looking after the interests of English taxpayers.

This story about free universities for Scots and other EU nationals is just the tip of the iceberg of anti English policies.

It is likely to get worse as Labour really needs to regain Scotland from the SNP. Labour will have to stuff English gold down Scottish mouths or the SNP will make further headway.

The case for an English Parliament (assuming that devolution cannot be reversed) seems unanswerable.

Andrew Constantine

Sadly we dont always get what we want, I agree the English palriament is the only sensible way forward to rpovide equality, this is not at odds with being a unionist far from it, the eqaulity it will bring can actually strengthen the Union.

One thing should be clear is that the Union is simply unsustainable in its present form.

22ANDUK · 11-06-2007, 11:30 AM

An English Parliament wouldn't be enough. We'd still have to pay for the Scottish and EU students wouldn't we? Plus for our own students here.

I would have no problem with the policy if the Scottish tax-payer paid for it solely.

I can't help but thing in the back of many SNP leaders' minds that this is also a good way of not only peeing off the English tax-payer, but also furthering the English call for their own Parliament, and therefore aid in the break-up of the UK.

10-06-2007, 03:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Scots to get free university education but not English-Welsh Brief extracts from today’s Sunday Times: British taxpayers are to meet the £2 billion cost of reintroducing free university education in Scotland – but students from England and Wales will still have to pay the full fees. In the decade since devolution, Scotland has made use of its grant from Westminster to subsidise care homes for the elderly and to authorise the use of a wide range of cancer drugs denied to patients south of the border. It receives approximately £1,500 more per head than England. Students from the European Union will also receive free education from 2009 unless they come from England, Wales or Northern Ireland. There's more on this at: :arrow: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1909775.ece

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	It's just incredible. Almost like it is planned to **** off the English. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erehwon Posts: 5,233	Racist again __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

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Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 912 Party: Free England Party	Careful - or you might end up thinking about England... The comments made above show why we need an Englsih Parliament to start looking after the interests of English taxpayers. This story about free universities for Scots and other EU nationals is just the tip of the iceberg of anti English policies. It is likely to get worse as Labour really needs to regain Scotland from the SNP. Labour will have to stuff English gold down Scottish mouths or the SNP will make further headway. The case for an English Parliament (assuming that devolution cannot be reversed) seems unanswerable. Andrew Constantine

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10-06-2007, 11:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
IceDragon Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,048	The people who run the union do so in the best interests of one country and one country alone, not in the best interests of the union. It is not enough for that to happen of course, the system has to be seen to be working against the interests of England and Wales.

10-06-2007, 12:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,009	The Scottish situation is mind-boggling!!! However, even without that, it's crazy that non-British EU students can come to England and get a guaranteed £3000 p.a. cheap loan for the 'top-up' element of the fees. UK taxpayers are paying for this and the rest of the real cost of the course (>10k p.a. for things like medicine or engineering)! It is obvious that this arrangement is one-sided as young people from just about anywhere see studying in English as a big plus for them.

11-06-2007, 05:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
jim h Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 361	Surely an English student who wants to go to a Scottish Uni should take this to the Race Relations board?

11-06-2007, 11:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	An English Parliament wouldn't be enough. We'd still have to pay for the Scottish and EU students wouldn't we? Plus for our own students here. I would have no problem with the policy if the Scottish tax-payer paid for it solely. I can't help but thing in the back of many SNP leaders' minds that this is also a good way of not only peeing off the English tax-payer, but also furthering the English call for their own Parliament, and therefore aid in the break-up of the UK.