Britannist

I agree that support in Scotland for Scotland from the UK does tend to fall in some opinion polls if people in Scotland are offered the choice of extra powers for the Scottish Parliament within the UK.

However, my figure of just over one in five voters in Scotland supporting the independence (from the UK) option (in the particular opinion poll I was quoting) is correct as I am sure you accept Tony G.

I am absolutely convinced that if a referendum were held in Scotland now on the question of Scotland's place in the UK, the overwhelming majority of those who voted would opt to remain in the UK. Although now there is talk of having a referendum with more than two questions (i.e. adding the option of staying in the UK but with more powers for the Scottish Parliament).

The wider issue from all this is the need for the English to have their own national legislature within the UK - just as the Scottish have (for many domestic matters).

For eight years the 50 million people of England have been denied their own Parliament by the anti-English europhile Labour regime at Westminster. We know from polls that support for an English Parliament in England stands at about 67%. If the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly are given even more powers then the number of English people wanting their own Parliament is likely to grow.

Britannist

They have already had a referendum in Scotland - the referendum on setting up the present Scottish Parliament.

A referendum backed by the europhile Liberal Dims.

The Liberal Dims don't want a referendum in England (on England's constitutional future) but try not to say so - that's why their MPs try to avoid answering directly questions about England which are put to them.

For the result might of such a referendum of the English people might be what they greatly fear - an English Parliament in which they have no chance (under any electoral system) of getting or having a slice of power.

I suspect one of the reasons the Scottish Liberal Dims don't want a referendum on Scotland's future in the UK (referred to above by Kentishman) is because they realise it would massively increase the pressure on them to back a similar referendum being held in England (and on establishing an English Parliament as the Scottish have).

England is now the only part of the UK which has never had a national referendum on its internal domestic government and/or future constitutional position in the UK. Northern Ireland has had at least two; Wales one and Scotland two.

The way England and the people of England are being treated is totally disgraceful. Those political parties who deny the English their voice will, one day, pay a very heavy price electorally for their disloyalty to the ancient nation of England and to her people.

Britannist

Exactly. They're hypocrites :x . And liars :evil: .

The name 'Liberal Democrats' is a misnomer.

And - as as group of people - they're a nasty bunch :evil: .

TonyG

I'll accept that figure, as long as you accept that it is only correct under certain conditions.
If the choice is in or out, the figure is more than double.
If the choice is in, out, or stay where we are and get more freebies from England then the figure is 22%.

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Britannist

I'm not that fussed what you accept or not on this matter, actually.

I am posting here to explain to readers the simple fact - which you have had a problem with - that a significant number of people who voted for the europhile Scottish so-called National Party (SNP) are protest voters who do not back the aim of that party to take Scotland out of the UK.

You appear to be under the illusion that all pro-independence voters in Scotland line up behind the SNP.

They don't.

TonyG

Whatever.

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Britannist

Profound.

rjt

Indeed the do not, people are often very simplistic when it comes to voting, the SNP were best placed to give labour a good kick in the ballot box so people switch to them. I think people will find come the next general election that labour will recover the ground it lost and the SNP will not have a significant rise in its numbers of MPS.

TonyG

If you can't accept a bald fact then the debate is pointless. I listed the opinion polls that conditionally support your theory, you just restate your opinion. It has therefore become pointless to discuss it further. I proved my point that more than 32% support independence, you didn't prove your claim that less than 2/3rds of SNP voters support independence and that at least 1/3rd didn't vote SNP for anything other than protest reasons, which is farcical.

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TonyG

Nice contradiction!
You say that Labout will recover ground and the SNP will still get a rise in numbers!
So who, do you propose, will lose the seats then? The Conservatives to lose all their seats?
To think that you must therefore expect the SNP to do a good job to increase their numbers.

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