Why England must leave the European Union

Johnny Hates Jazz · 13-05-2007, 09:40 AM

Statement from the English Democrats

http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/n..._from=&ucat=3&

WHY ENGLAND MUST LEAVE THE EU

The European Union is not just a trading arrangement. It is a political project designed to take control of all the main functions of national governments. The EU controls farming and fishing, its ‘harmonised’ rules about everything from food-labelling to taxation already account for 70% of our laws, and it is now setting up Euro-police, systems of justice, common defence and foreign policies even though its new Constitution has not yet been agreed.

This alien system of government is bad for our economy, our self-respect and our prosperity. Yet all the old political parties remain firmly committed to the EU. They still pretend that, despite the experience of 30 years of ‘negotiating’, it can be shaped in England ’s interests. But the EU is a one-way street towards European government.

It is undemocratic, corrupt and unreformable. The only way for England is the English Democrat’s way: we must leave. Until this is done, individuals and our businesses will continue to be strangled by all the ill-conceived intrusive regulation, supposedly to protect our environment, to ensure our health and safety, to uphold all our ‘rights’ and, most recently, to protect us from terrorism.

ENGLISH DEMOCRATS’ AGENDA

Our message is simple: SAY NO to European Union. But we also say NO to the culture of paperwork, performance targets and spin, NO to uncontrolled immigration, NO to a society in which everything is regulated and dissent is suppressed by fear and political correctness. Only outside the EU will it be possible to begin rebuilding an England which is run for English people, not for career politicians and bureaucrats.

We are the party that will take on board the concerns of those in business, public services, local government, those in inner cities and rural areas, young and old. We are the party that speaks out and is prepared to confront our country’s problems squarely and honestly.

The English Democrats are determined to bring government back within the reach and influence of those who are governed, at all levels, local and national. We shall replace England’s membership of the EU with the sort of agreement over trade and co-operation that we thought we had signed up to when we first joined the European common market. We shall restore responsibility for local affairs to local communities. And as a further measure to restore confidence in the democratic process and reconnect with people, we shall provide for the voters’ right to call referendums at both local and national levels, where there is sufficient popular support for a particular policy.

English Democrats are determined to turn back the culture of regulation, to strive for smaller government and to aim for a society in which the values – of trust, pride, individual responsibility, mutual respect and respect for our institutions – are no longer considered in need of ‘modernisation’. It is these basic aims and values that underpin all English Democrats policies.

THE INDEPENDENCE TIMETABLE

Formal withdrawal from the EU will be achieved by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, following a referendum to consult the people of England. This will release us from obligations under EU treaties and re-establish the precedence of English law over EU law. We shall immediately stop paying into the EU budget and we shall resume full independent participation in international bodies such as the World Trade Organisation. It will be possible to scrap some EU rules like the working time directive without delay. Free Trade will be maintained by re-joining EFTA (European Free Trade Association)

However, many other changes following independence will take more time. We would aim for a transition period of 2 years with the work managed by a cabinet committee, assisted by interested parties from all relevant sectors of the economy. One of its main tasks will be to govern the repeal or amendment of the mass of UK laws and statutory instruments that have originated in the EU, replacing them if necessary with laws that are in English interests alone. Other responsibilities of the transition committee will include the replacement of all the EU’s ‘common’ policies, including farming and fishing, with our own arrangements.

WHAT OF SCOTLAND, WALES & NORTHERN IRELAND

It is up to the people of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, to decide if they wish to remain part of the European Union. As a federation, there is no reason why Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland could remain part of the European Union, and England be outside the European Union, carry on free trade as a member of EFTA (European Free Trade Association).

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This statement clarifies the position of the English Democrats on the European Union - once and for all.

English Democrats = Euro-sceptic party

eublues · 13-05-2007, 10:35 AM

I suppose UKIP should be flattered that this 'statement from the English Democrats' appears to have been plagiarised from the UKIP 2005 General Election Manifesto.

For example, the UKIP document says:

Quote:

WHY THE UK MUST LEAVE THE EU

The European Union is not just a trading arrangement. It is a political project designed to take control of all the main functions of national governments. The EU controls farming and fishing, its ‘harmonised’ rules about everything from food-labelling to taxation already account for 70% of our laws, and it is now setting up Euro-police, systems of justice, common defence and foreign policies even though its new Constitution has not yet been agreed.

This alien system of government is bad for our economy, our self-respect and our prosperity. Yet all the old political parties remain firmly committed to the EU. They still pretend that, despite the experience of 30 years of ‘negotiating’, it can be shaped in Britain’s interests. But the EU is a one-way street towards European government.

It is undemocratic, corrupt and unreformable. The only way for Britain is UKIP’s way: we must leave. Until this is done, individuals and our businesses will continue to be strangled by all the ill-conceived intrusive regulation, supposedly to protect our environment, to ensure our health and safety, to uphold all our ‘rights’ and, most recently, to protect us from terrorism.

etc., etc.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 13-05-2007, 12:53 PM

You can't have it both ways.

Many posters have asked for a firm statement from the English Democrats to confirm Euro-sceptic credentials.

English Democrats have now confirmed this with a statement similar to UKIP.

Yet this is still not acceptable.

Come on !

Keyser Soze · 13-05-2007, 01:37 PM

So,if things are as you say Kentishman,why do you come here and try to recruit?

Internationalist · 13-05-2007, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kentishman

You can't have it both ways.

Many posters have asked for a firm statement from the English Democrats to confirm Euro-sceptic credentials.

English Democrats have now confirmed this with a statement similar to UKIP.

Yet this is still not acceptable.

Come on !

I think people should welcome the statement as a clear stance on the EU whatever its derivation.

That does not mean that I personally would support the English Democrats since I am opposed to English nationalism and I believe that the EDs are ultimately a force for separatism. Those who see that as less of an issue will probably be reassured by the statement.

I am slightly puzzled as to why an English Parliament does not require a referendum but leaving the EU does. It is unnecessary in my view if it forms a central part of your manifesto.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 13-05-2007, 01:50 PM

Quote:

So,if things are as you say Kentishman,why do you come here and try to recruit?

Because it works

We have numerous ex-UKIPPERs in our ranks now :wink:

Staffsman · 13-05-2007, 02:05 PM

This is a disgrace Kentishmen openly boasting that his spamming works as a place for recruitment etc I hope the moderators take action this is totally unacceptable and wouldnt be tolerated on other forums.

Populist Lee · 13-05-2007, 02:13 PM

A ban would be in order.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 13-05-2007, 02:34 PM

Sorry guys this is the British Independence & Democracy Forum

Last time I looked England was part of Britain, and the English Democrats is a registered political party in the UK.

This is NOT an exclusively UKIP forum.

Please feel free to recruit for members on the Cross of St George Forum.

There are all sorts of parties, posting on these forums

New Party
Popular Alliance
Veritas

If you want to make this forum exclusively UKIP members only, then fine, but while it is not, then we English Democrats will use it as we see best.

KM

Staffsman · 13-05-2007, 02:35 PM

kentistman has brought this forum into disrepute and the only course of action is to BAN him.If he isnt BANNED this forum will lack any credibility with the people that post here and the wider public looking in.Its a total disgrace

13-05-2007, 09:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,978 Party: English Democrats	Why England must leave the European Union Statement from the English Democrats http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/n..._from=&ucat=3& WHY ENGLAND MUST LEAVE THE EU The European Union is not just a trading arrangement. It is a political project designed to take control of all the main functions of national governments. The EU controls farming and fishing, its ‘harmonised’ rules about everything from food-labelling to taxation already account for 70% of our laws, and it is now setting up Euro-police, systems of justice, common defence and foreign policies even though its new Constitution has not yet been agreed. This alien system of government is bad for our economy, our self-respect and our prosperity. Yet all the old political parties remain firmly committed to the EU. They still pretend that, despite the experience of 30 years of ‘negotiating’, it can be shaped in England ’s interests. But the EU is a one-way street towards European government. It is undemocratic, corrupt and unreformable. The only way for England is the English Democrat’s way: we must leave. Until this is done, individuals and our businesses will continue to be strangled by all the ill-conceived intrusive regulation, supposedly to protect our environment, to ensure our health and safety, to uphold all our ‘rights’ and, most recently, to protect us from terrorism. ENGLISH DEMOCRATS’ AGENDA Our message is simple: SAY NO to European Union. But we also say NO to the culture of paperwork, performance targets and spin, NO to uncontrolled immigration, NO to a society in which everything is regulated and dissent is suppressed by fear and political correctness. Only outside the EU will it be possible to begin rebuilding an England which is run for English people, not for career politicians and bureaucrats. We are the party that will take on board the concerns of those in business, public services, local government, those in inner cities and rural areas, young and old. We are the party that speaks out and is prepared to confront our country’s problems squarely and honestly. The English Democrats are determined to bring government back within the reach and influence of those who are governed, at all levels, local and national. We shall replace England’s membership of the EU with the sort of agreement over trade and co-operation that we thought we had signed up to when we first joined the European common market. We shall restore responsibility for local affairs to local communities. And as a further measure to restore confidence in the democratic process and reconnect with people, we shall provide for the voters’ right to call referendums at both local and national levels, where there is sufficient popular support for a particular policy. English Democrats are determined to turn back the culture of regulation, to strive for smaller government and to aim for a society in which the values – of trust, pride, individual responsibility, mutual respect and respect for our institutions – are no longer considered in need of ‘modernisation’. It is these basic aims and values that underpin all English Democrats policies. THE INDEPENDENCE TIMETABLE Formal withdrawal from the EU will be achieved by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, following a referendum to consult the people of England. This will release us from obligations under EU treaties and re-establish the precedence of English law over EU law. We shall immediately stop paying into the EU budget and we shall resume full independent participation in international bodies such as the World Trade Organisation. It will be possible to scrap some EU rules like the working time directive without delay. Free Trade will be maintained by re-joining EFTA (European Free Trade Association) However, many other changes following independence will take more time. We would aim for a transition period of 2 years with the work managed by a cabinet committee, assisted by interested parties from all relevant sectors of the economy. One of its main tasks will be to govern the repeal or amendment of the mass of UK laws and statutory instruments that have originated in the EU, replacing them if necessary with laws that are in English interests alone. Other responsibilities of the transition committee will include the replacement of all the EU’s ‘common’ policies, including farming and fishing, with our own arrangements. WHAT OF SCOTLAND, WALES & NORTHERN IRELAND It is up to the people of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, to decide if they wish to remain part of the European Union. As a federation, there is no reason why Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland could remain part of the European Union, and England be outside the European Union, carry on free trade as a member of EFTA (European Free Trade Association). ============================================== This statement clarifies the position of the English Democrats on the European Union - once and for all. English Democrats = Euro-sceptic party __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

13-05-2007, 12:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,978 Party: English Democrats	You can't have it both ways. Many posters have asked for a firm statement from the English Democrats to confirm Euro-sceptic credentials. English Democrats have now confirmed this with a statement similar to UKIP. Yet this is still not acceptable. Come on ! __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

13-05-2007, 02:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,978 Party: English Democrats	Sorry guys this is the British Independence & Democracy Forum Last time I looked England was part of Britain, and the English Democrats is a registered political party in the UK. This is NOT an exclusively UKIP forum. Please feel free to recruit for members on the Cross of St George Forum. There are all sorts of parties, posting on these forums New Party Popular Alliance Veritas If you want to make this forum exclusively UKIP members only, then fine, but while it is not, then we English Democrats will use it as we see best. KM __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

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13-05-2007, 01:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Keyser Soze Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 516 Party: Other	So,if things are as you say Kentishman,why do you come here and try to recruit?

13-05-2007, 02:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
Staffsman Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18	This is a disgrace Kentishmen openly boasting that his spamming works as a place for recruitment etc I hope the moderators take action this is totally unacceptable and wouldnt be tolerated on other forums.

13-05-2007, 02:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Populist Lee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,247 Party: Other	A ban would be in order.

13-05-2007, 02:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
Staffsman Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18	kentistman has brought this forum into disrepute and the only course of action is to BAN him.If he isnt BANNED this forum will lack any credibility with the people that post here and the wider public looking in.Its a total disgrace