rjt

http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...lues/10379.htm


Another good response from the Catholic Church as regards the steps Christians need to consider taking in view of the widespread attacks on their way of life.

Westcountryman

Excellent stuff.

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Keyser Soze

About time but very good though.

rjt

Yes the Catholic Church is making a real effort, they are able too because there is a real ideological unity within this part of the church.

The anglican churches inability to ammount any sort of reponse is little short of a disgrace.

22ANDUK

One thing Britain lacks is a powerful and influential Christian Democrat Party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Party

This is largely because traditionally the Conservative Party was closely aligned with the Church of England, and Labour was made up of a large bloc of Methodists - blocking the rise of what was seen as a 'continental' Christian Democratic Party. This has, however, changed beyond all belief now and the niche is there. I reckon someone like the CPA had a couple of MPs, MSPs, AMs or LAMs or even just a score of Councillors, they would be able to fight back better.

The closest thing we have is this:

http://www.cpalliance.net/index.asp

Though these UK groups are all 'pro-EU'. This is the CPA's (our largest Christian movement and party) 'Vision of Europe': http://www.cpalliance.net/docs/FaithInEurope.pdf

I have some questions for you 'Christian Democrats':

As an Agnostic I do worry (perhaps the wrong word) about some of these (even moderate) group's policies (i.e. Is 'Recognition of Christ's sovereignty over the nations and in politics' compatible with 'Open, transparent government, which subjects itself to debate and critique.' could people question and deny this?) .

Though I am a supporter of most 'Christian' principles - is this not a contradiction?

Would a CD/CPA party support or further the 'Church and State' issue?

What about eduection/Darwinism?

Could an effective movement/party emerge with so many Christian groups in it? Would the CofE get on with the Methodists, Catholics, Basptists, Orthodox groups? If the CofE is infighting over the question of gay bishops, what makes you think politics would be any different?

Is there space for an anti-EU Christian movement though?

Is this: 'Recognition of Christ's sovereignty over the nations and in politics' fair if you are agnostic, atheist, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc?

kernow

I'm always worried about mixing Religion and Politics. Throughout history it has been the cause of millions of deaths. To-days Muslim extremists are a prime example. Religion is a matter of faith, politics is a matter of fact! We cannot prove that a Testament written nearly 2,000 years ago about a man some 70+ years after his death is true, we are supposed to have faith that it is true! Millions belief in that faith millions don't! Muslim extremists want to kill everybody who doesn't believe in Islam. Millions follow Islam, millions don't! In my opinion neither should be allowed to have any say in politics!

rjt

So should no christian stand for Parliament? All I am saying is that christians must consider carefully in light of the attacks they are under how they vote, to continue to vote for example for the Lab/Con/Lib Dem coalition in my view would be most unwise given the rabid secular agenda these partys are pushing through.

It is for the electorate as a whole to decide who governs, if they were to pick a Christian Party then it would be no diffrent to UKIP being elected the people would have chosen them.

I am certainly not advocating some form of revolution by christians but they must start standing up for their rights.

Westcountryman

I'm all for the separation of Church and State - mostly because I don't want the State to corrupt the Church - or for the State to assume it has any kind of Higher authority.

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kernow

Not at all! I don't mind what a politicians faith is, as long as he/she doesn't start pushing their Faith as the way forward! Unfortunately religious people of whatever faith are always pushing their way as the only way. That is why I think Religion should be kept apart from Politics.

22ANDUK

Fit to govern?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770