BNP man will face no charges

mkpdavies · 14-04-2007, 03:18 PM

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html

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A BRITISH National Party candidate arrested on suspicion of forging a police officer's signature on his election nomination form will face no charges.

Dallus Weaver, 41, was arrested after the signature of a serving North Wales Police officer was noticed on paperwork for a by-election to Flintshire County Council.

Mr Weaver, from Mold, who did not win the Penyffordd seat, was arrested and questioned last week.

North Wales Police confirmed yesterday that he will not be charged with any offence. The police officer whose name appeared on the form remains under internal investigation by the force.

So racist pig or cheating racist?

You decide.

C_steam · 14-04-2007, 03:27 PM

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So racist pig or cheating racist?

or cheating pig?

StGeorge · 14-04-2007, 03:33 PM

The guy was arrested because the police didn't believe one of their own would nominate a BNP candidate, further investigation has proved it to be true so the charges were dropped. The only issue now is if this police officer will get sacked for nominating a BNP candidate.

How this makes the candidate a cheat I don't know?

22ANDUK · 14-04-2007, 03:57 PM

The police are forbidden to involve themselves in political activity personally whilst serving. So a Police Officer couldn't stand for election or be an election agent.

Whether the Officer would be fired for nominating a Lib Dem/Tory/Labour candidate is uncertain.

arden forester · 14-04-2007, 04:19 PM

I agree with st.george. I have no time for the BNP, but I won't castigate them if they have a genuine point. The plonkers here are the police. If it is against the law for a serving police officer to nominate or second a candidate in an election, let the police state which law it is. If they have a policy of banning serving police officers from supporting or voting for the BNP (can't see how they can spot the voting unless they sift through the ballot papers! :roll: ) then this must surely be a serious breach of democratic rights.

The police must get it into their thick PC heads once and for all. Messing about with the democratic process is not their business. The BNP is a lawfully registered political party. Now, if they want it otherwise, let them campaign/lobby for the BNP to be outlawed. Otherwise, SHUT UP!

22ANDUK · 14-04-2007, 05:40 PM

Well there's no crime for Officers to vote BNP, anyone can vote for anyone in the secret ballot.

But what is unbalanced is that the BNP, to be fair, are a legal party as much as Labour and the Conservatives are (and Police ca be members of them), whilst there is a bar on Officers being a member of the party or any other political group of a similar ilk - from National Front to Hizb ut-Tahrir.

StGeorge · 14-04-2007, 08:45 PM

Similar ilk as the NF and Hizb ut-Tahir

Apparently the police can't get involved in politics and that's the reason he'll get in trouble, however I wonder how many police officers and officials have nominated lib/lab/con candidates for this May's elections without anyone caring?

Still it doesn't answer why this makes the BNP candidate a cheat.

MKPDavies concludes that he's either a pig or a cheat, the fact that he's racist doesn't come into it because that's taken for granted. Interesting statement to make about someone he's never met. I suppose it's kind of ironic that he's putting forward a stereotype against someone he alleges discriminates against someone because of stereotypes that person holds. Then again I've had this discussion with him before and how it does UKIP no good but he still continues.

arden forester · 15-04-2007, 12:08 AM

This is what I have found from the Cumbria Force! http://www.cumbria.police.uk/related...ost_Policy.pdf

The BNP is specificaly a banned organisation as far as the police is concerned. Membership is a no-no. However, no other party is singled out. Not all registered political parties subscribe to the police notion of "a general duty to promote race equality". They do not mention the National Front, England First Party, etc, etc. They do not mention New Labour in the list or this party's inability to maintain a constructive approach to the promotion of race equality.

The problem I have with this is that the police forces of the UK have singled out one political party that they do not agree with or have suggested does not adhere to their working policies. This is an affront to democracy because ONE it is not being administered even handedly and TWO it gives the police cause to harrass a political party that the body set up to oversee political parties has deemed is lawfully constituted.

The police service needs to declare whether it is honestly standing back from political activity with a neutral position or is actively involved in promoting a certain viewpoint and targeting political parties it disagrees with! :shock:

Independent UKIP · 15-04-2007, 12:23 AM

Good find there arden forester. I despise the BNP but I despise that policy far more. As the BNP might say, UKIP one day might be persona non grata just as the BNP are in some places today, certainly if the EU develops at anything like the current pace. Of course it should all be about the individual & I would never wan't any racist working in the police force.

I do wonder what happens if a police officer joins the National Front?

mkpdavies · 15-04-2007, 07:26 AM

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MKPDavies concludes that he's either a pig or a cheat, the fact that he's racist doesn't come into it because that's taken for granted. Interesting statement to make about someone he's never met. I suppose it's kind of ironic that he's putting forward a stereotype against someone he alleges discriminates against someone because of stereotypes that person holds. Then again I've had this discussion with him before and how it does UKIP no good but he still continues.

That's not what I concluded ar all.

I asked the question.

Cheating racist (IE the candidate, all BNP are racists as you have to be to join that rabble with a clear concious).

Or

Racist Pig (IE the officer did nominate a BNP candidate, thus will be a racist)

One or the other. Of course if the police officer didn't nominate the pond scum, then he is exonorated. If he did then the pond scum is exonarated of cheating, but is still pond scum never the less.

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14-04-2007, 03:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
StGeorge Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 417	The guy was arrested because the police didn't believe one of their own would nominate a BNP candidate, further investigation has proved it to be true so the charges were dropped. The only issue now is if this police officer will get sacked for nominating a BNP candidate. How this makes the candidate a cheat I don't know?

14-04-2007, 03:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	The police are forbidden to involve themselves in political activity personally whilst serving. So a Police Officer couldn't stand for election or be an election agent. Whether the Officer would be fired for nominating a Lib Dem/Tory/Labour candidate is uncertain.

14-04-2007, 04:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,698 Party: None	I agree with st.george. I have no time for the BNP, but I won't castigate them if they have a genuine point. The plonkers here are the police. If it is against the law for a serving police officer to nominate or second a candidate in an election, let the police state which law it is. If they have a policy of banning serving police officers from supporting or voting for the BNP (can't see how they can spot the voting unless they sift through the ballot papers! :roll: ) then this must surely be a serious breach of democratic rights. The police must get it into their thick PC heads once and for all. Messing about with the democratic process is not their business. The BNP is a lawfully registered political party. Now, if they want it otherwise, let them campaign/lobby for the BNP to be outlawed. Otherwise, SHUT UP!

14-04-2007, 05:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	Well there's no crime for Officers to vote BNP, anyone can vote for anyone in the secret ballot. But what is unbalanced is that the BNP, to be fair, are a legal party as much as Labour and the Conservatives are (and Police ca be members of them), whilst there is a bar on Officers being a member of the party or any other political group of a similar ilk - from National Front to Hizb ut-Tahrir.

14-04-2007, 08:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
StGeorge Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 417	Similar ilk as the NF and Hizb ut-Tahir Apparently the police can't get involved in politics and that's the reason he'll get in trouble, however I wonder how many police officers and officials have nominated lib/lab/con candidates for this May's elections without anyone caring? Still it doesn't answer why this makes the BNP candidate a cheat. MKPDavies concludes that he's either a pig or a cheat, the fact that he's racist doesn't come into it because that's taken for granted. Interesting statement to make about someone he's never met. I suppose it's kind of ironic that he's putting forward a stereotype against someone he alleges discriminates against someone because of stereotypes that person holds. Then again I've had this discussion with him before and how it does UKIP no good but he still continues.

15-04-2007, 12:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,698 Party: None	This is what I have found from the Cumbria Force! http://www.cumbria.police.uk/related...ost_Policy.pdf The BNP is specificaly a banned organisation as far as the police is concerned. Membership is a no-no. However, no other party is singled out. Not all registered political parties subscribe to the police notion of "a general duty to promote race equality". They do not mention the National Front, England First Party, etc, etc. They do not mention New Labour in the list or this party's inability to maintain a constructive approach to the promotion of race equality. The problem I have with this is that the police forces of the UK have singled out one political party that they do not agree with or have suggested does not adhere to their working policies. This is an affront to democracy because ONE it is not being administered even handedly and TWO it gives the police cause to harrass a political party that the body set up to oversee political parties has deemed is lawfully constituted. The police service needs to declare whether it is honestly standing back from political activity with a neutral position or is actively involved in promoting a certain viewpoint and targeting political parties it disagrees with! :shock:

15-04-2007, 12:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
Independent UKIP Uber Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Posts: 2,427	Good find there arden forester. I despise the BNP but I despise that policy far more. As the BNP might say, UKIP one day might be persona non grata just as the BNP are in some places today, certainly if the EU develops at anything like the current pace. Of course it should all be about the individual & I would never wan't any racist working in the police force. I do wonder what happens if a police officer joins the National Front?