22ANDUK

"This House moves that Britain is a weak nation".

Discuss.

mkpdavies

Weak in what way?

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NoMoreEUSSR

Being a province of the Euroslav de facto state, run by politically correct neo-communist pseudo-dictators who are not accountable to anyone, or are arrogant enough to believe it (in Blair-zhnev's case).

Not weak historically!

22ANDUK

My OP was set out in the British Parliamentary Debate Style and was structured and set as what is known as an 'Open Debate'. What this means is that how one defines the original motion is entirely up to them, such as arguing that Britain is weak:

a) Economically
b) Morally
c) Intellectually
d) Militarily
e) Physically (i.e. as in the sporting arena)
f) Socially
g) Diplomatically

Or indeed any of the above or on more points. People could also have negated this by opposing the motion and indeed arguing that Britain is not weak and is indeed a 'strong' nation. I was originally planning on just letting this debate grow itself.

kernow

In my opinion the weakening of all prosperous Western Countries including Britain began in the "Sixties" Once a feeling of prosperity arrived, moral values started to disappear and once that happened the line between right and wrong started to fade and self respect and respect for others started to vanish, were like the demise of the Romans, our reality TV was their "Gladiator" arena battles. In my opinion unless a miracle happens mankind is through his own actions on a one way ticket to extinction. If there is an all powerful God who made the World, next time around he/she/it will be a little more careful when choosing which animal to rule the World.

22ANDUK

What civilisation will replace ours? I am unsure as to whether the New World Order will last with its moral and social degeneration. A greatly expanded 'Caliphate' stretching from the tropics of Indonesia to the shores of the North-Western Atlantic will be a better bet - united in a spiritual, moral and social bond of Islam.

When the vacuum becomes grater many leading Britons (politicians, academics, business people, even the clergy) will probably convert to Islam and establish a truly 'British Islam' under the aegis of a league of muslim nations. Whether Islam would be modernised by this is unclear. The people of North Western Europe have spearheaded one Reformation, maybe they will do it again for another religion.

Whether this is a good or bad thing depends on your opinion, but maybe Britain will only become united and strong again under the banner of Islam.

kernow

I dread to think what living in MY COUNTRY would be like under an Islamic regime. If this does happen I just hope I and all my living loved ones are a long time dead. Islamic rule would be as bad as the worst cases of Nazisism or Communism. If that does happen the West would only have itself to blame!

Smidgey

We could be a lot better. Socialism and government meddling have hurt our economy greatly. Many voters have been wooed by the growth under Brown. Just wait until the borrowing hits them (it is already beginning to). We need to free up the market far more and try to separate the state from business as much as is possible (except for the protection of some workers rights and a few safety regulations that are necessary).
We need to teach philosophy in our schools. The recent pilot in Renfrewshire found that the teaching of philosophy increased average IQ by 6 points, improved classroom discipline and improved learning in mathematics and English. The old dictum of Aristotle proved true:

"I have learned this from philosophy, what I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."

The 'dumbing down' of Britain has been happening for a long time. If the BBC is to remain in public hands then it needs to stop playing down the lowest common denominator. The type of things we watch on television and the press have done nothing to help this. The press needs to improve itself. As for the education system, it needs to be greatly improved. It may even be possible to introduce competition within the public sector - like in New Hampshire. This has greatly improved their schools and how expensive their schools are to run.

I don't like the military or what it does, so I'm going to leave this one blank and let another person answer it.

Well, I guess this isn't really something the government can enforce. We seem to be pretty average for our size and wealth, although we could be better.

Hand outs do not work. I find it funny how areas which have had continued handouts for a long time have also had continued deprivation. Those lucky deprived areas which have seen regeneration, the movement of capital and wealth into creating jobs and improving the local economy are the ones that have done best. I also despise the idea of giving handouts of cash. If someone wishes to buy luxury items (such as a TV, or a computer) then they should not have the government fund them to do so. If the government is going to give anything out at all, it should be something along the lines of commodities such as food/essential toiletries/etc. No luxuries should be affordable by a state handout. If you want these items, you get a job. This would be an incentive as well in that matter.

Here we are very weak. We have this notion that we should still hold some centre ground on the world state because we used to be a world power. These days are long gone and we need to live with that. Blair and his constant meddling in other countries foreign affairs has done nothing to help this problem. The EU has also done its fair share of blocking out Britain. I say we should concern for our nation first before trying to seek diplomatic power, if ever.

Westcountryman

Now there's gratitude! :x

I'm curious, does this include those who cannot work? eg. The disabled?

We still possess a fair bit of clout. We do have the second most powerful Navy in the world after all.

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Hereward77

A strong country is one led by a government that looks after its own, and doesn't care about ideological projects (i.e. the EU, multiculturalism, globalism, military intervention around the world, etc.)

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