C_steam

and the one that REALLY ****** you off is?

Could it be the No 1 on your list and the others aren't really important?

'Blocking the BNP's advance' - sounds like something medals should be awarded for!

Edward Longshanks

Actually you're only partially right C Steam. Of course being a member of you know who I saw our thunder stolen away from us and that was annoying. But I think this man's game plan involved alterior motives from the outset, not just against the BNP but also against UKIP as well. He got elected on a UKIP ticket and reneged on his former associates having used them, and then slagged them off in public. He's still though drawing his MEP's salary. He should resign and let another UKIP member have his seat, but it won't happen of course.

ryansoton

Kiljoy Slick is never in Brussels. There arent enough TVs and Tanning Shops for him

Britannist

I'm still waiting for Mr. Edward Longshanks to, at least, acknowledge my enquiry regarding something he wrote on this thread earlier. I asked Edward to provide a link/source for his claim that Kilroy was at a Labour event recently. I posted my question to this thread at 1.03 pm (please see previous page).

Hello Edward? Edward? Are you there Edward? Have you got that source/link please?

Britannist

The BBC have admitted that they are biased (in a meeting the details of which were leaked to a leading newspaper). The Wilson enquiry a couple of years ago (instigated by the BBC themselves and which was made of of two eurosceptics and two europhiles) concluded that the BBC was, effectively, biased in favour of the EU.

As for ITV - they do not have the systematic record of europhilia that the BBC does (although I am watching ITV carefully for signs of bias). In any case, we don't pay directly for ITV. The BBC have a fourty year record of being biased in favour of the EEC/EU AND (unlike ITV) they are scrounging off us through their television licence poll tax to make us pay them to be biased in favour of an enemy of this country - the EU.

Populist Lee

Is the objection to the *Poll Tax* Licence Fee due solely because of the pro-EU bias; or a point of principle?

I ask because I don't object to the principle of the Public paying for the BBC as they do currently. I object to the BBC's lack of Accountability to those who pay for it.

Politically and Editorially, the BBC reflects the point of view of the political class and elite.
The answer appears to be to either force the BBC to become Accountable or scrap the Licence Fee; and/or change the political class.

My preference is the latter; with BBC Accountability following as a corollary.

As far as I am aware, ITV/ITN reflects the point of view of the political class as much as the BBC.
How do we make ITV/ITN reflect the viewpoint of the Majority?
How do you make a commercial proposition Accountable (directly rather than indirectly)?

Or will it be simpler to change the political class?

Britannist

I am against BBC bias in favour of the EU and I am against the present television licence fee arrangement. The only excuse the BBC has for forcing millions to pay it money is that it was their first. That is not a legitimate reason to make the British public give them a large sum of cash each year just so they (the public) can legally operate a television to watch ITV and Sky.

The BBC advertises most of its vacancies in pro-EU and leftist newspapers such as the Guardian. The influence of the europhile 'metro elite' permeates each and every department of the BBC, virtually its entire output and most of its management. Political correctness is ingrained into the working methods, decision-making and future planning of the BBC.

Apart from being pro-EU, the BBC is anti-English and barely mentions the word.

Non-essential BBC services (i.e. BBC Radio 1 and 2) could be privatised. There is no reason for the BBC to run these radio channels in an age where commercial broadcasters could take them and manage them at less cost and probably attract higher audiences in doing so.

The future of the licence fee (if it has one at all) should become a mainstream debate and I would like to see UKIP campaign for its abolition.

As for pro-EU bias on other (i.e. non-BBC) radio and television stations. All of these broadcasters are bound by the rules of impartiality and balance. UKIP needs to establish a team of monitors who will listen to and watch the output of national and local radio and television services and lodge complaints as and when appropriate.

It is true that there is pro-EU bias on some non-BBC television and radio channels. But the main offender is the BBC which has a forty year record of supporting the EU and (until UKIP won its orginal 12 seats in the 2004 EU Election) did its best to ignore the eurosceptic and anti-EU majority in this country. Lord Pearson of Rannoch (the UKIP-friendly Peer) should be congratulated for pressuring the BBC about their bias. His criticism of hte BBC over their pro-EU bias forced them to hold the Wilson Enquiry in 2004 (which concluded that there was an insititutional bias in the BBC).

Commercial broadcasters have to abide by the same rules on impartiality and balance as the BBC. I do my best to monitor television output on the EU issue, but it would help if others did so too and, perhaps, posted their findings to this forum so complaints can be organised and followed through.

Edward Longshanks

Hello Britannist: Sorry I haven't got the link, therefore I cannot back it up except to say that I remember seeing this story. If you want to take me at my word then great, if not I don't blame you for being sceptical. Concrete evidence is the key I understand that.

By the way Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Britannist

Thank you Edward, and a Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year to you too.

I can tell that there are people I know in UKIP who detest Robert Kilroy-Silk because of the way he disloyally turned on UKIP and bit the hand that had fed him. He was lucky to land on his feet and get the candidacy at the top of the list of candidates in UKIP's most winnable seat (with Derek Clark giving him up his place at the top of the list of UKIP candidates so Kilroy could take his place) - just a few months after the vile and politically correct Blair Broadcasting Corporation :evil: booted him (Kilroy) out.

Kilroy destabilised the party (which he had only been in for a few weeks and had not spent a decade building up from nothing) and mocked it openly :x (while still a member of UKIP) at the start of a television interview (in the Autumn of 2004) with Steve Richards, a pro-EU columnist on the fanatically pro-EU 'Independent' (a rag read by the wealthy chattering class and wine-and-cheese socialists) who presents GMTV's Sunday morning programme.

Robert Kilroy-Silk MEP claims to be anti-EU but never once mentioned the EU issue or criticised the EU in his appearance as a panellist on an edition of 'Question Time' last month :evil: .

He stands no chance of holding on to the 'east' Midlands (of England) EU Constituency in 2009 without the help and support of UKIP's campaigning structure (i.e. national party political broadcast, media publicity events, rallies etc.) and I expect him not to re-contest the seat.

The simple fact is that, it appears that, in politics, no one trusts Robert Kilroy-Silk.

If he (Kilroy) did attend a Lie-bour (Labour) Party event I wonder if he discussed with anyone the fact that UKIP has pushed Lie-bour into fourth place in suburban and rural local council By-Elections in the south of England this year and at the Bromley Parliamentary By-Election six months ago . I doubt it.

Dissident Congress

It is bit ironic for the pro EU BBC, but the EU could put an end to the TV licence as part of its internal competition policy. I remember reading an article around 1992 about broadcasting without frontiers. The essence was that TV channels in EU countries were to be made available throughout the EU rather than confined to the countries of the broadcaster. The article also mentioned TV licences and how they gave licence funded broadcasters an unfair advantage over commercial broadcasters, and how some licence funded broadcasters were reluctant to broadcast in a country where they won't get a penny in revenue from the residents. There were no "magic bullet" solutions mentioned although the article commented on a possibility of a pan EU TV licence or abolishing TV licences altogether. This article was written in the analogue era but with the analogue switch off on the horizon then a completely different world will exist once all TV is digital. If a broadcaster doesn't want to take advertising then it could fund itself through subscription.