Transport, what we need in my opinion!

Hereward the Wake · 02-12-2006, 11:31 PM

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there are 800 times more miles of railway track than Motorways,

Please do not post stupid lies. IIRC there are about 6 times more miles of railway line than motorway.

The rest of your "statistics" also seem iffy.

I am not even going to bother replying to the rest of your moronic posts.

mkpdavies · 03-12-2006, 06:26 PM

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How can technology shrink vehicles or people, they still take up the same amount of space?.

Two things technology will do to help pack more in to less space, but keep things flowing.

1) Computers driving the cars around, helping avoid congestions and use the routes more a inteligent way.

2) Roads won't be required sooner or later, as cars will in effect become flying mobiles. It'll happen sooner or later and then congestion is a thing of the past.

euromutiny · 03-12-2006, 07:31 PM

Firstly, kernow, you cannot ban people from driving their cars. We all have different needs and you can't dictate where or how much people can and cannot drive.

Traffic will continue to increase but some will stop driving. The more it increases, the more will stop triving. Traffic will find it's own equillibrium ballance in the end where traffic levels are stable.

Secondly, cookie65, you cannot tarmac over the railways. There would be far more pollution (bad for environment and health as well) and traffic which no-one would want (do you really like lorries thundering past your house?). Turning them into motorways would be very unpopular and ruin house prices nearby. Also, you do not own them! The state shouldn't own transport anyway. It is also important for there to be choice; no railway monopoly, and no road monopoly either.

Railways should be properly privatised, that is where one company owns the trains, runs the trains, and owns the tracks. The current franchise areas are too big as well, go back to the pre-1923 grouping companies or smaller, where one company owns one route. Then there would be far greater competition to attract passengers. Cross-company services by agreement, as there was before. They should not be subsidised except in extreme cases. If a firm closes a line, it should be made available to any group/firm wishing to run in.

Rail cannot beat the roads, so should work with it. Build high speed lines alongside a few main motorways and linking to the channel tunnel rail link and Liverpool Docks. Put terminals like in Folkestone at major motorway junctions, let cars/lorries roll on and off trains at these (like Eurotunnel Shuttle). It would be great for haulage firms, as it would reduce wear on vehicles, be much faster and count as rest time for drivers. It was once proposed, supported by hauliers and banks (they believed it to be very profitable), but sadly rejected by govt (didn't believe there was demand!).

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Felixstowe/Southampton to Manchester in 4.5 hours, a train takes 7.5 hours,

Depends on traffic for roads. And not a high speed shuttle train...

Soddball · 04-12-2006, 11:07 AM

I would like to see a measure whereby a business who wanted to set up a rail service which used decommissioned stations or lines would have the right to fast-track planning permission for those sites. That would allow individual businesses to build their own train lines on abandoned routes and run them for profit.

There would need to be securities - it might be the case that someone would pretend to want to set up a train line but would then just buy up the land and develop it - but I see it as a way to create more passenger capacity in new areas.

euromutiny · 04-12-2006, 12:59 PM

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I would like to see a measure whereby a business who wanted to set up a rail service which used decommissioned stations or lines would have the right to fast-track planning permission for those sites. That would allow individual businesses to build their own train lines on abandoned routes and run them for profit.

Anything that would help rebuild old lines should be welcomed. If it was easier, there would be a lot of start up community and heritage projects. Rail privatisation has lead to several good ones using lines which were closed but not dismantled, such as the Weardale Railway and Wenslydale Railway.

PatrioticBriton · 04-12-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

The problem with the transport system in Britain now, is it can't cope with demand.

Congestion is a problem that all rich countries of the world are now dealing with. It isn't the immigrants' fault.

Ever heard of a country called the US? It's a scarcely populated country, yet they're dealing with traffic jams like us.

Regarding UKIP transport policy - WHAT POLICY? UKIP has developed no transport policy, it's a single issue party. I could help you guys develop a detailed transport policy (and a detailed environmental and defence policy as well), but you must be willing to adopt it.

UKIP will win the elections only if it publishes a DETAILED political manifesto about everything. I know that, since Nigel Farage became the Leader, UKIP has published e.g. a taxation manifesto, but that's just the beginning. British voters aren't going to vote for a party that wants to withdraw Great Britain from the EU but doesn't know what to do next.

mkpdavies · 04-12-2006, 07:21 PM

I didn't blame it all on immigrants, we got to nearly 60 million with out their help, but of course we are now speeding up the problem by trying to reach 70 million in record time and packing them mainly into the same areas.

Why don't you drop David Campbell-Bannerman a line, as he is now tasked with creating detailed policies for all areas.

PatrioticBriton · 04-12-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I didn't blame it all on immigrants, we got to nearly 60 million with out their help, but of course we are now speeding up the problem by trying to reach 70 million in record time and packing them mainly into the same areas.

But we benefit from Euroimmigration (the only benefit of being a member of the EU). Thanks to them GDP has gone up by 5%.

I agree, however, that England is overpopulated while Scotland, Wales and N.I. are inhabited. I think these migrants should be allowed to work only in S., W. and N.I.

mkpdavies · 04-12-2006, 07:58 PM

We would benefit from some immigration from any country of the world, not just European, as long as it was a controlled and sustainable manner.

The fact unemployment is now beginning to soar and many people are finding themselves on minimum wage thanks to a glut of cheap labour, means there are many downsides to unlimited, uncontrolled immigration as the OECD have now admitted too.

Shutting off all immigration is an extreme and damaging measure, but so is having a total free for all, with countries with much lower GDPs. GDP is one factor that should be considered, but no the only factor.

But this is a thread about transport, so we will call it day on the issue of immigration here. There is a whole section on immigration if you want to talk about that.

Robin · 05-12-2006, 04:11 PM

How has the latest immigration helped the UK ?

What immigration (or who ) should be allowed into the UK ?

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I didn't blame it all on immigrants, we got to nearly 60 million with out their help, but of course we are now speeding up the problem by trying to reach 70 million in record time and packing them mainly into the same areas. Why don't you drop David Campbell-Bannerman a line, as he is now tasked with creating detailed policies for all areas. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	We would benefit from some immigration from any country of the world, not just European, as long as it was a controlled and sustainable manner. The fact unemployment is now beginning to soar and many people are finding themselves on minimum wage thanks to a glut of cheap labour, means there are many downsides to unlimited, uncontrolled immigration as the OECD have now admitted too. Shutting off all immigration is an extreme and damaging measure, but so is having a total free for all, with countries with much lower GDPs. GDP is one factor that should be considered, but no the only factor. But this is a thread about transport, so we will call it day on the issue of immigration here. There is a whole section on immigration if you want to talk about that. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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04-12-2006, 11:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
Soddball Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 272	I would like to see a measure whereby a business who wanted to set up a rail service which used decommissioned stations or lines would have the right to fast-track planning permission for those sites. That would allow individual businesses to build their own train lines on abandoned routes and run them for profit. There would need to be securities - it might be the case that someone would pretend to want to set up a train line but would then just buy up the land and develop it - but I see it as a way to create more passenger capacity in new areas.

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Robin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 759	How has the latest immigration helped the UK ? What immigration (or who ) should be allowed into the UK ?