The end of the world is nigh!

Aardvark · 31-10-2006, 03:55 PM

I'm not PC, nor particularly sensitive, but sometimes, Matt, and it is only sometimes, I think you don't do yourself any favours with your choice of words, although I acknowledge that is all that they are. I appreciate that you are you, and I am me and did much better when God gave out good looks!

I do read widely, but can't cover every subject in depth. I have read a lot on the subject of climate change over the last 30+ years (where is our ice age?), but don't have the time to go back through everything and post all that I have read if I could even find it. I wish I had the time to post 20,000 posts on one forum alone.

The COED has differrent definitions including the division of the county of Sussex, a plant and some waste from wine making. Oh well! I suppose I did seem oversensitive and PC, but I still, arrogantly, think your use of English was poor! :roll:

I reckon that we are all doomed anyway, but I think we should look at ways of cutting emissions, reducing waste and pollution. I don't think that Labour are going about it the right way since those of us who have been paying attention know that Brown can't balance the books without raising a vast amount of taxes or cutting services to the bone.

Still mates...?

Aardvark · 31-10-2006, 03:59 PM

999,999 more to go - yep, more even than your posts! :wink:

mkpdavies · 31-10-2006, 04:08 PM

No I hate you. :wink:

Here is the description my work collegues put on my description on our internal website.

"Bolshy, arrogant, bad tempered, but we still love him, Matt Davies"

I was supposed to a Yorkshireman, but something went wrong.

I just don't understand why people get upset by words, unless they are strung together to be personally abusive or patronising. Then I can understand it.

I am all for looking after the planet, not I am not all for people hijacking this feeling to abuse people, especially when the end result is no real difference anyway. That's my position on the whole debate of taxing co2 emissions.

When the people telling me to do as they say, not as they do start focusing on the real issues.

Such as how many people can a town/country/continent and world sustain.
When I see fairness applied, so that it isn't just a money making scheme for the government.
When I see all the fact presented to me by Bliar/BBC/scare monthly, including the blatant contradictions like Mars getting warmer and the breakdown of how greenhouse gases actually work.

Then I will be willing to take the argument seriously and may even accept my freedom of choice being curtailed.

Until then all you tree hugging hippies can bite me. :P

Aardvark · 31-10-2006, 04:15 PM

Matt, you know that I would never patronise you. You'd only think I was being complimentary. :twisted:

Millennium3 · 31-10-2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

No I hate you. :wink:

Here is the description my work collegues put on my description on our internal website.

"Bolshy, arrogant, bad tempered, but we still love him, Matt Davies"

I was supposed to a Yorkshireman, but something went wrong.

I just don't understand why people get upset by words, unless they are strung together to be personally abusive or patronising. Then I can understand it.

I am all for looking after the planet, not I am not all for people hijacking this feeling to abuse people, especially when the end result is no real difference anyway. That's my position on the whole debate of taxing co2 emissions.

When the people telling me to do as they say, not as they do start focusing on the real issues.

Such as how many people can a town/country/continent and world sustain.
When I see fairness applied, so that it isn't just a money making scheme for the government.
When I see all the fact presented to me by Bliar/BBC/scare monthly, including the blatant contradictions like Mars getting warmer and the breakdown of how greenhouse gases actually work.

Then I will be willing to take the argument seriously and may even accept my freedom of choice being curtailed.

Until then all you tree hugging hippies can bite me. :P

Yorkie,

So that I understand you clearly, if you were in charge of UKIP policy you would have no policy which related to global warming. If challenged by your opponents you would reply. Global warming has not been proved conclusively and we do not believe it is fact. We will have no ploicy until we are certain that it is!

mkpdavies · 31-10-2006, 04:36 PM

Well that's UKIPs policy as it stands going on Nigels statement.

However, my position would be that I would want a full public debate, with people from the opposing side of the argument given a fair crack of the whip first.

Then Using a UKIP patented Referendum, I would let the people decide if they wanted to create laws to start discouraging CO2 use across the board, with all the implications that would entail.

If the people voted yes, we want to do that, then I would make sure every single penny made in doing this, was returned back to the people via cuts in other taxation.

That's it in a nutshell.

jp · 31-10-2006, 05:07 PM

Quote:

. More carbon dioxide is being produced by man than ever before. More methane is being produced by far more large ruminants (and no doubt far more chickens) than ever before. I think it is credible to argue that these things are having a deleterious effect on the world in which we live and it is reasonable to argue that something ought to be done about it.

"Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

I assume we all agree that ice has covered the UK in the not so distant past? What if the world is tipping into an Ice Age & by reducing CO2 it arrives sooner?

So little is known & the uncertainties so great we might make things worse.

For me it has been illuminating to see what seem to be reasonably educated & rational people engage in such shallow thinking.

The nearest other phenomenon I can think of is religious hysteria.

mkpdavies · 31-10-2006, 05:22 PM

I honestly believe "climate change" has become a religion for some people. So much emotional energy by green thinking people (and that doesn't make them bad people) has been put in, it has become their baby. The sheer thought that they could now be 100% wrong, doesn't even bear thinking about for them.

They don't want a propper debate, they know they are 100% right.

They don't want to think of other possible causes. They are 100% right.

They can't contemplate that this may be well out of our hands.

And of course, the sly politicians see this as glorious opportunity. Opportunity to take advantage of these feelings and using them for their own agenda.

kernow · 31-10-2006, 06:14 PM

Spot on again Matt!

C_steam · 31-10-2006, 06:34 PM

Quote:

I was supposed to a Yorkshireman, but something went wrong

Fantastic. I wish I'd have thought of that.

31-10-2006, 04:08 PM	#33 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,823 Party: Libertarian Party	No I hate you. :wink: Here is the description my work collegues put on my description on our internal website. "Bolshy, arrogant, bad tempered, but we still love him, Matt Davies" I was supposed to a Yorkshireman, but something went wrong. I just don't understand why people get upset by words, unless they are strung together to be personally abusive or patronising. Then I can understand it. I am all for looking after the planet, not I am not all for people hijacking this feeling to abuse people, especially when the end result is no real difference anyway. That's my position on the whole debate of taxing co2 emissions. When the people telling me to do as they say, not as they do start focusing on the real issues. Such as how many people can a town/country/continent and world sustain. When I see fairness applied, so that it isn't just a money making scheme for the government. When I see all the fact presented to me by Bliar/BBC/scare monthly, including the blatant contradictions like Mars getting warmer and the breakdown of how greenhouse gases actually work. Then I will be willing to take the argument seriously and may even accept my freedom of choice being curtailed. Until then all you tree hugging hippies can bite me. :P __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

31-10-2006, 04:36 PM	#36 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,823 Party: Libertarian Party	Well that's UKIPs policy as it stands going on Nigels statement. However, my position would be that I would want a full public debate, with people from the opposing side of the argument given a fair crack of the whip first. Then Using a UKIP patented Referendum, I would let the people decide if they wanted to create laws to start discouraging CO2 use across the board, with all the implications that would entail. If the people voted yes, we want to do that, then I would make sure every single penny made in doing this, was returned back to the people via cuts in other taxation. That's it in a nutshell. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

31-10-2006, 05:22 PM	#38 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,823 Party: Libertarian Party	I honestly believe "climate change" has become a religion for some people. So much emotional energy by green thinking people (and that doesn't make them bad people) has been put in, it has become their baby. The sheer thought that they could now be 100% wrong, doesn't even bear thinking about for them. They don't want a propper debate, they know they are 100% right. They don't want to think of other possible causes. They are 100% right. They can't contemplate that this may be well out of our hands. And of course, the sly politicians see this as glorious opportunity. Opportunity to take advantage of these feelings and using them for their own agenda. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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31-10-2006, 03:55 PM	#31 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,928	I'm not PC, nor particularly sensitive, but sometimes, Matt, and it is only sometimes, I think you don't do yourself any favours with your choice of words, although I acknowledge that is all that they are. I appreciate that you are you, and I am me and did much better when God gave out good looks! I do read widely, but can't cover every subject in depth. I have read a lot on the subject of climate change over the last 30+ years (where is our ice age?), but don't have the time to go back through everything and post all that I have read if I could even find it. I wish I had the time to post 20,000 posts on one forum alone. The COED has differrent definitions including the division of the county of Sussex, a plant and some waste from wine making. Oh well! I suppose I did seem oversensitive and PC, but I still, arrogantly, think your use of English was poor! :roll: I reckon that we are all doomed anyway, but I think we should look at ways of cutting emissions, reducing waste and pollution. I don't think that Labour are going about it the right way since those of us who have been paying attention know that Brown can't balance the books without raising a vast amount of taxes or cutting services to the bone. Still mates...?

31-10-2006, 03:59 PM	#32 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,928	999,999 more to go - yep, more even than your posts! :wink:

31-10-2006, 04:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,928	Matt, you know that I would never patronise you. You'd only think I was being complimentary. :twisted:

31-10-2006, 06:14 PM	#39 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	Spot on again Matt!