Will the UK reach its 300th birthday?

This-England · 25-10-2006, 08:42 PM

The powers currently held by the regions would be handed to the English Parliament.
The if elected by PR like in Scotland and Wales the English Parliament would be full of men of Patriotic will.
I could see UKIP, the BNP and the EDP all getting in an English Parliament.
That would help us all build up at a Westminster level where we can then get the UK out of the EU.
Or it could help the push for English independence which would definatly get England out of the EU.

mkpdavies · 25-10-2006, 08:48 PM

Too many ifs and buts in there.

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The if elected by PR like in Scotland and Wales the English Parliament would be full of men of Patriotic will.

Nah, it will be full of Tories, Lib Dems and Labour with a few token others. Waste of time.

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I could see UKIP, the BNP and the EDP all getting in an English Parliament.

EDP will have served their purpose and the fake parliament will be in place, why would people vote for them then.

With PR before, the BNP have been very poor. People tend not to use them as a portest vote, if they think they might get some real power.

UKIP might get a few, but tiny compared to the old school. It would acheive almost nothing.

There is a lion and a mouse running towards us and you want us to use our last bullet on the mouse. Totally waste of time, total distraction and con as the final lock down of power is completed.

eublues · 25-10-2006, 08:58 PM

Yeah - an English Parliament will take too long to achieve - it'll be too late to then deal with the EU.

No harm in running it as a secondary aim along the big one: forcing the grip of the EU off our throats.

UKIP's position on this in the 2005 manifesto was perfectly sensible - just needs fleshing out like all UKIP policy areas.

Rich C · 25-10-2006, 09:06 PM

Also, almost everyone involved in campaigning for an English Parliament is all for strengthening to power of traditional counties which is again a slap in the face of regionalisation.

This-England · 25-10-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Too many ifs and buts in there.

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The if elected by PR like in Scotland and Wales the English Parliament would be full of men of Patriotic will.

Nah, it will be full of Tories, Lib Dems and Labour with a few token others. Waste of time.

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I could see UKIP, the BNP and the EDP all getting in an English Parliament.

EDP will have served their purpose and the fake parliament will be in place, why would people vote for them then.

With PR before, the BNP have been very poor. People tend not to use them as a portest vote, if they think they might get some real power.

UKIP might get a few, but tiny compared to the old school. It would acheive almost nothing.

There is a lion and a mouse running towards us and you want us to use our last bullet on the mouse. Totally waste of time, total distraction and con as the final lock down of power is completed.

If the SNP can get 30% of the vote in Scotland there is no reason why an English Nationalist party cant get the same in England.
The EDP would still get votes on issues like immigration and the EU.
Obviously we need to flesh out our law and order polcies to appeal some more.

This-England · 25-10-2006, 09:35 PM

In order of importance this is what our policies should be and which would most appeal to the public.

1. Immigration.
2. Crime.
3. Protecting British Jobs.
4. Education.
5. Health Care.
6. An English Parliament.
7. The EU.

mkpdavies · 25-10-2006, 10:00 PM

The EU effects all of the first 6. Get out of it, then you can address them all without being told what to do.

Before that however, you have to remove the traitors who are keeping us there. That is the number 1 objective.

Independence Now! · 25-10-2006, 10:07 PM

Certainly, getting Britain out of the EU should be very near if not the top priority in Britain today. Britain is effectively a prisoner of the EU and all these puppet Parliaments and the one that passes for Westminster today are meaningless when the power is with the EU. It is only when Britain is free from the clutches of the EU that we can decide if we want devolved parliaments or not and what powers they should have.

This-England · 25-10-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

The EU effects all of the first 6. Get out of it, then you can address them all without being told what to do.

Before that however, you have to remove the traitors who are keeping us there. That is the number 1 objective.

We all know that but the Public dont give two shits about the EU.
You need to win their vote on other issues before we can tackle the EU.

eublues · 25-10-2006, 10:21 PM

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the Public dont give two shits about the EU.

Just wait for them to realise that they and their children will struggle to find jobs in competition with EU and other immigration, and any jobs going will be at the minimum wage. We could be in for a massive change of sentiment on this one.

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25-10-2006, 08:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
This-England Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,682	The powers currently held by the regions would be handed to the English Parliament. The if elected by PR like in Scotland and Wales the English Parliament would be full of men of Patriotic will. I could see UKIP, the BNP and the EDP all getting in an English Parliament. That would help us all build up at a Westminster level where we can then get the UK out of the EU. Or it could help the push for English independence which would definatly get England out of the EU.

25-10-2006, 08:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,011	Yeah - an English Parliament will take too long to achieve - it'll be too late to then deal with the EU. No harm in running it as a secondary aim along the big one: forcing the grip of the EU off our throats. UKIP's position on this in the 2005 manifesto was perfectly sensible - just needs fleshing out like all UKIP policy areas.

25-10-2006, 09:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rich C Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leicester Posts: 220	Also, almost everyone involved in campaigning for an English Parliament is all for strengthening to power of traditional counties which is again a slap in the face of regionalisation.

25-10-2006, 09:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
This-England Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,682	In order of importance this is what our policies should be and which would most appeal to the public. 1. Immigration. 2. Crime. 3. Protecting British Jobs. 4. Education. 5. Health Care. 6. An English Parliament. 7. The EU.

25-10-2006, 10:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	Certainly, getting Britain out of the EU should be very near if not the top priority in Britain today. Britain is effectively a prisoner of the EU and all these puppet Parliaments and the one that passes for Westminster today are meaningless when the power is with the EU. It is only when Britain is free from the clutches of the EU that we can decide if we want devolved parliaments or not and what powers they should have.