Letter in the Telegraph

Johnny Hates Jazz · 24-10-2006, 10:34 AM

English parliament

Sir - The current "post-devolution settlement" is iniquitous to England.

Scotland and Wales have their own Parliament and Assembly, and yet are still over-represented in the House of Commons; the West Lothian Question has yet to be answered - why should Scottish and Welsh MPs preside over English matters when MPs representing English constituencies have no reciprocal right?

And the long-discredited Barnett formula, the system by which regional funding is allocated, remains grossly unfair to the taxpayers of England.

It has been nearly 10 years since the people of Scotland and Wales were consulted in a referendum prior to devolution. No such courtesy has been extended to the people of England, and our politicians seem reluctant even to allow open debate on the subject.

Dividing England into "regions", while leaving Scotland and Wales as "nations", is rightly unpopular and undemocratic. Stopping Scottish and Welsh MPs voting on English issues will cause as many problems as it solves.

The question of the establishment of an English parliament must be considered and the option placed in front of the electorate.

At a meeting in the House of Commons today, the English Constitutional Convention will be formally established, with the aim of promoting debate and raising public awareness of England's democratic deficit. As patrons to the convention, we urge the Government, Opposition and all the people of the United Kingdom actively to participate in that debate. England will be heard. The time for silence is over.

Lord Beaumont of Whitley
Lord Stoddart of Swindon
John Horam MP
Professor Hugo De Burgh
Professor Jeremy Dibble
Prof Roger Scruton
Dr. Gerald Morgan Trinity Dublin
Jervis Kay QC
Garry Bushell Journalist
Iain Dale Conservative commentator
Neil Addison Barrister
Mike Knowles, Chairman - Campaign for an English Parliament
Robin Tilbrook, Chairman - English Democrats
Christine Constable, Chairman - English Lobby
Bishop Michael Reid
Rev Richard Martin
Richard Long, Solicitor
Andy Smith, Past President, Chartered Institute of Journalists
Simon Lee, Lecturer, Hull University
Prof Charles Greenawalt

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A Federal UK is the only way of saving the Union

arden forester · 24-10-2006, 10:44 AM

Great letter. Shows that the English Parliament issue is not just for a small minority. This is a broad grouping of left/right folk. It is about fairness, something the spiv-in-chief is blithely ignorant of! :roll:

Johnny Hates Jazz · 24-10-2006, 10:57 AM

Yes a I keep on saying, and English Parliament will 'wake up politics' in England, and get 85% of the UK population out of the EUssr.

It's a double wammy.

Unfortunately it would appear that with UKIP it's 100% or nothing as far as they are conerned.

13 years of the same approach has achieved little.

A lateral thinking approach is the way forward - sticking your head in the sand and wrapping yourself in the Union Jack, will achieve little.

England
Out of the unfair European Union
Out of the unfair Scottish Union

ryansoton · 24-10-2006, 12:29 PM

But one supported at the moment by a minority.
Our government does not listen when 62% of the electorate want out of the EU so wont listen to what is at the moment a minority view.

Populist Lee · 24-10-2006, 03:11 PM

It will be interesting to see what follows from this "by Invitation only" Convention.

mkpdavies · 24-10-2006, 03:48 PM

Why have you highlighted a Tory leadership **** kisser?

Independence Now! · 24-10-2006, 07:06 PM

How do you know that the person from Trinity College Dublin isn't an Irish Republican who would have his own interest in seeing the break-up of the United Kingdom? I hardly think such a person would be impartial in these matters! :roll:

Populist Lee · 24-10-2006, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Independence Now!

How do you know that the person from Trinity College Dublin isn't an Irish Republican who would have his own interest in seeing the break-up of the United Kingdom? I hardly think such a person would be impartial in these matters! :roll:

He is known to a number of us; and I would not describe him as you would.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 25-10-2006, 01:17 AM

Dr Gerald Morgan has stood twice in the Forest of Dean under the banner English Parliamentary Party.

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Deputy Leader of UKIP

Mr David Campbell-Bannerman, turned up to this meeting, and I must say we had a nice chat.

UKIP members are not all single minded.

Hartlepool · 25-10-2006, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by English Democrat

Dr Gerald Morgan has stood twice in the Forest of Dean under the banner English Parliamentary Party.

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Deputy Leader of UKIP

Mr David Campbell-Bannerman, turned up to this meeting, and I must say we had a nice chat.

UKIP members are not all single minded.

Can you say the same about the EDs?

24-10-2006, 10:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Letter in the Telegraph - UKIP miss out again English parliament Sir - The current "post-devolution settlement" is iniquitous to England. Scotland and Wales have their own Parliament and Assembly, and yet are still over-represented in the House of Commons; the West Lothian Question has yet to be answered - why should Scottish and Welsh MPs preside over English matters when MPs representing English constituencies have no reciprocal right? And the long-discredited Barnett formula, the system by which regional funding is allocated, remains grossly unfair to the taxpayers of England. It has been nearly 10 years since the people of Scotland and Wales were consulted in a referendum prior to devolution. No such courtesy has been extended to the people of England, and our politicians seem reluctant even to allow open debate on the subject. Dividing England into "regions", while leaving Scotland and Wales as "nations", is rightly unpopular and undemocratic. Stopping Scottish and Welsh MPs voting on English issues will cause as many problems as it solves. The question of the establishment of an English parliament must be considered and the option placed in front of the electorate. At a meeting in the House of Commons today, the English Constitutional Convention will be formally established, with the aim of promoting debate and raising public awareness of England's democratic deficit. As patrons to the convention, we urge the Government, Opposition and all the people of the United Kingdom actively to participate in that debate. England will be heard. The time for silence is over. Lord Beaumont of Whitley Lord Stoddart of Swindon John Horam MP Professor Hugo De Burgh Professor Jeremy Dibble Prof Roger Scruton Dr. Gerald Morgan Trinity Dublin Jervis Kay QC Garry Bushell Journalist Iain Dale Conservative commentator Neil Addison Barrister Mike Knowles, Chairman - Campaign for an English Parliament Robin Tilbrook, Chairman - English Democrats Christine Constable, Chairman - English Lobby Bishop Michael Reid Rev Richard Martin Richard Long, Solicitor Andy Smith, Past President, Chartered Institute of Journalists Simon Lee, Lecturer, Hull University Prof Charles Greenawalt ============================================= A Federal UK is the only way of saving the Union __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

24-10-2006, 10:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,662 Party: None	Great letter. Shows that the English Parliament issue is not just for a small minority. This is a broad grouping of left/right folk. It is about fairness, something the spiv-in-chief is blithely ignorant of! :roll: __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

24-10-2006, 10:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Yes a I keep on saying, and English Parliament will 'wake up politics' in England, and get 85% of the UK population out of the EUssr. It's a double wammy. Unfortunately it would appear that with UKIP it's 100% or nothing as far as they are conerned. 13 years of the same approach has achieved little. A lateral thinking approach is the way forward - sticking your head in the sand and wrapping yourself in the Union Jack, will achieve little. England Out of the unfair European Union Out of the unfair Scottish Union __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

24-10-2006, 03:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,825 Party: Libertarian Party	Why have you highlighted a Tory leadership **** kisser? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

25-10-2006, 01:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Dr Gerald Morgan has stood twice in the Forest of Dean under the banner English Parliamentary Party. =============================================== Deputy Leader of UKIP Mr David Campbell-Bannerman, turned up to this meeting, and I must say we had a nice chat. UKIP members are not all single minded. __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

24-10-2006, 12:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
ryansoton Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 781 Party: Other	But one supported at the moment by a minority. Our government does not listen when 62% of the electorate want out of the EU so wont listen to what is at the moment a minority view.

24-10-2006, 03:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Populist Lee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,171 Party: Other	It will be interesting to see what follows from this "by Invitation only" Convention.

24-10-2006, 07:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	How do you know that the person from Trinity College Dublin isn't an Irish Republican who would have his own interest in seeing the break-up of the United Kingdom? I hardly think such a person would be impartial in these matters! :roll:

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