Originally Posted by English Lion

Well said Brittanist.

What kind of political party loathes its own state and its own voters?

The kinds of political parties like CONservatives, Lib Dums, and Liebour.
None of them could give a fig about England and that is the truth of it.

Discrimination and racial harrassment is something the likes of all three parties always tell us they come down hard on, but when this is directed at the English whether in terms of funding, access to drugs, costs in education, democracy and devolution, etc etc the English are passed over as if we don't exist.

England doesn't need another deaf, dumb and blind party to represent it, England needs a party that will take English needs seriously and will do right by the people of England, not another party that sucks up to Scottish and Welsh interests, when the truth of the matter is both nations would be pushed to survive in the real world without English money.

It is about time England was given the respect she deserves and an end to anti-English discrimination and proper democracy where EVERY vote counts.

Question is, how can we bring this about? :roll:

Originally Posted by English Lion

Apart from the fact you can't vote for the Campaign for an English Parliament, the English democrats are about a renaissance in Englishness.

That means English institutions, English politics, English Business, English Education, English Health, English innovation, English leadership.

The only way this re-birth of English consciousness will ever take off is if there is a political party who is TOTALLY committed to the nation and the people it seeks to represent.

There is no problem with the Union, but the Union is devolved, and so the "identity" party of the politics is dealt with at a national level, and best dealt with by the national parties of the countries concerned.

There is no place for "Union" focused political parties, because 2/3rd of the countries in the Union (at any one time) are not interested in what you have to say unless it relates to them, and to them "Specifically".

You can be pro union under a federal system and specifically English - and that is what the English Democrats are.

UKIP is not "specifically" anything - and just one of a clutch of other unionist parties, with the "single issue" of being vehemently anti-EU.

You need a bigger stall, a wider appeal, and to work co-operatively with a party that can link together the best of all worlds :roll:

Originally Posted by cassie

No one has in any way suggested that you can vote for the Campaign for an English Parliament! If you read my posting carefully you can see that I used a small 'c' to indicate that a simple name (noun) was not being used, rather a detached verbal noun (a gerund?) ie the word 'campaigning'.

It is correct to say but, when England is not involved, the 'uninvolvement' is upwards of 80% of the UK's population! Because of this factor, endless deceits have been practised on the populations of each component part of the UK at various times, in various ways, with England having the greatest of deceits being inflicted on its people.

These deceits take the form of (for example) general election manifestos for England, which differ from those for Scotland and Wales; differing census forms; special editions of programmes (such as 'Newsnight') for Scotland etc - the deceit being to allow the false impression of ALL citizens of the UK being treated the same and equally. These practices did not start in 1997, they were being practised in varying degrees thirty or forty years' ago.

In theory, it is feasible for the British political parties to take account of and to cater for all parts of the UK, and for many decades this has been an underlying assumption made in good faith (especially in England) but it has become clear that discrimination on a massive scale has been and is being practised on the largest by far of the UK's component nations! Hence the massive disengagement from what has become, for over 80% of the UK, no representation. One only has to look at the leadership of those controlling the British political parties and thence controlling the UK. Given that this is an age in which various so called minorities squawk about representation, it has to be observed that the English are significantly under represented in all spheres of life in England; the same cannot be said for the natives of either N Ireland or Scotland or Wales!

In theory, it is feasible for UKIP to modify its policies in respect of England and its constitutional deficit. However, judged by the vast preponderance of derogatory postings on this forum, this seems a remote possibility. Britannist asked what is to be done. Perhaps this has given a pointer?