What will we call the UK when Scotland leaves ?

Johnny Hates Jazz · 12-10-2006, 10:13 PM

Name recognition

party structure and finance.

BNP has been around for circa 30 years

English Democrats 4 years

ED

This-England · 12-10-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

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All multicultural states will fail.
The UK is no exception.

There is a difference between wanting it to happen as you do and which you may have guessed I thoroughly disagree with you and it actually happening.

Me wanting it to happen dosnt matter one way or another.
Nor while we have Sinn Fein, Plaid, the SNP etc etc.

This-England · 12-10-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

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All multicultural states will fail.
The UK is no exception.

There is a difference between wanting it to happen as you do and it actually happening.

Why do you want it to happen anyway? Have you got a problem with our fellow Britons?

A lot of them have a problem with me because im an Englishman.

Rich C · 12-10-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

I would call it a much duller place and I would dispute whether it would be richer. Your opinon there is just adding to the prejudice held by quite a few of them that this part of the United Kingdom is excessively materialistic. Frankly, when people here come up with such opinions then that prejudice appears to have some validity to it.

Oh, right. Should I not state the fact that England would be richer without Scotland then just because some people may think it is materialistic and take offence?

How politically correct!

arden forester · 13-10-2006, 03:28 PM

I haven't joined this thread yet but in answer to the question it will be called Britain. It goes like this -

1. England only is England.
2. England and Wales is Britain
3. England, Wales & Scotland is Great Britain
4. England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland is the United Kingdom of...

The last one is officially the country, the other three are vernacular expressions. Oh, dear England, what have I said? :shock:

Independence Now! · 14-10-2006, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich C

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Originally Posted by Independence Now!

I would call it a much duller place and I would dispute whether it would be richer. Your opinon there is just adding to the prejudice held by quite a few of them that this part of the United Kingdom is excessively materialistic. Frankly, when people here come up with such opinions then that prejudice appears to have some validity to it.

Oh, right. Should I not state the fact that England would be richer without Scotland then just because some people may think it is materialistic and take offence?

How politically correct!

You don't know that for sure. Britain's wealth lies in its people and that includes the Scots. Some of Britain's best business people have come from Scotland and also some of Britain's best PMs (present company excepted of course).

brian lee · 14-10-2006, 07:50 PM

I wish Simon Muir would stop being so patronising

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So get a life, and start working to get the EU out of the UNITED KINGDOM.

Perhaps he would give us the benefit of his superior knowledge in these matters and explain fully what he is doing so that we may consider joining him, if he will have us!

Resigning from UKIP will undoubtedly get a life for a few, but as to getting the EU out of the UNITED KINGDOM, that is another matter, particularly as many of us might hold the view that the UNITED KINGDOM now exists in name only.

Turning the clock back to pre devolution is not an option. 'UK' has dropped off 'UKIP'. This is a serious problem if UKIP wants to attract popular support.

eublues · 14-10-2006, 07:58 PM

If the Scots and the Welsh want independence the main thing is that they should have a clear opportunity to decide on this. I favour the UK, but if they don't so be it.

At the moment we have a fudge where 'independence' means Scotland or Wales being able separately to decide how UK (i.e. largely English) money is spent. (Of course none of us is truely independent within the EU.)

Let's press for independence to mean exactly that. If the Scots or Welsh want independence within the UK fine. Let's have completely independent states in all areas. Then let's move to independence from Brussels.

organist · 15-10-2006, 09:22 PM

Can I just say one thing about the "Scots" - we generally think a great deal better of, and are respected better by our European counterparts than you folks in England are? I've had direct experience of this. That is not to say the Scots are in favour of the EU (and FWIW I think more Scots are in favour of the EU than in England).

And I'll say it again to all those UKIPpers in favour of the Union of the UK. How can you possibly be so against the EU yet support the union of the UK? Most of the arguments in Scotland against the UK union (budget, centralisation, corruption etc) are all the reasons Scotland wants to rid itself of Westminster (and the House of Lords). That and the fact that for the majority of the last 50 years UK Defence and Foreign Policy has not represented Scotland in any way - it's put us in the front line (Faslane) but little else.

My position is - Scotland needs to extricate itself from the UK and (as a consequence) the EU and then decide whether it wishes to be part of the EU or not. Scotland becoming independent does not automatically mean Scotland as a part of the EU.

And as another point, I don't think EU member states would be especially delighted to see an independent Scotland emerge. Many EU nations have strong separatist movements of their own - Spain, France, Italy, Belgium etc. Scotland is one of Europe's most distinct and recognisable stateless nations - Scotland gaining independence could set a dangerous precedent for the other separatist movements in Europe to measure up to - and I don't see that going down well in the legislatures of Madrid, Paris, Rome or Brussels.

organist · 15-10-2006, 09:25 PM

Oh Btw the way I think the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland (UKEWNI) has a good ring to it.

View Poll Results: What should the UK be called without Scotland
Britain	4	22.22%
Greater England	2	11.11%
England	1	5.56%
England, Wales & Northern Ireland	3	16.67%
None of the above	8	44.44%
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13-10-2006, 03:28 PM	#45 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,662 Party: None	I haven't joined this thread yet but in answer to the question it will be called Britain. It goes like this - 1. England only is England. 2. England and Wales is Britain 3. England, Wales & Scotland is Great Britain 4. England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland is the United Kingdom of... The last one is officially the country, the other three are vernacular expressions. Oh, dear England, what have I said? :shock:

14-10-2006, 07:58 PM	#48 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,100	If the Scots and the Welsh want independence the main thing is that they should have a clear opportunity to decide on this. I favour the UK, but if they don't so be it. At the moment we have a fudge where 'independence' means Scotland or Wales being able separately to decide how UK (i.e. largely English) money is spent. (Of course none of us is truely independent within the EU.) Let's press for independence to mean exactly that. If the Scots or Welsh want independence within the UK fine. Let's have completely independent states in all areas. Then let's move to independence from Brussels.

15-10-2006, 09:22 PM	#49 (permalink)
organist Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 108	Can I just say one thing about the "Scots" - we generally think a great deal better of, and are respected better by our European counterparts than you folks in England are? I've had direct experience of this. That is not to say the Scots are in favour of the EU (and FWIW I think more Scots are in favour of the EU than in England). And I'll say it again to all those UKIPpers in favour of the Union of the UK. How can you possibly be so against the EU yet support the union of the UK? Most of the arguments in Scotland against the UK union (budget, centralisation, corruption etc) are all the reasons Scotland wants to rid itself of Westminster (and the House of Lords). That and the fact that for the majority of the last 50 years UK Defence and Foreign Policy has not represented Scotland in any way - it's put us in the front line (Faslane) but little else. My position is - Scotland needs to extricate itself from the UK and (as a consequence) the EU and then decide whether it wishes to be part of the EU or not. Scotland becoming independent does not automatically mean Scotland as a part of the EU. And as another point, I don't think EU member states would be especially delighted to see an independent Scotland emerge. Many EU nations have strong separatist movements of their own - Spain, France, Italy, Belgium etc. Scotland is one of Europe's most distinct and recognisable stateless nations - Scotland gaining independence could set a dangerous precedent for the other separatist movements in Europe to measure up to - and I don't see that going down well in the legislatures of Madrid, Paris, Rome or Brussels.

15-10-2006, 09:25 PM	#50 (permalink)
organist Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 108	Oh Btw the way I think the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland (UKEWNI) has a good ring to it.