What will we call the UK when Scotland leaves ?

Populist Lee · 11-10-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by andypandy

Populist Lee, I don't claim to be a supporter of the English Democrats, I am one; at the same time, the constant sniping at the success of the BNP does nothing for those that relish such spiteful criticisms. The real losers are those that are generally opposed to the likes of the BNP on 'moral' grounds, but are hindered electorally by their own comparative failures.

They will use these moral grounds to justify their stance, and to denounce the opinions of parties such as the BNP.

Perhaps if others, and that includes the EDP, were half as successful in first past the post elections as the BNP, then they would have reasonable grounds to be critical. But they are not, and in recent times, it is the BNP that have saved more deposits, had more people elected, achieved the best parliamentary results and largely have had their primary stance at the top of the political agenda now for the last 7 years or so. This is not my say so, but the apparent will of tens of thousands of voters, and countless front page headlines.

How anyone can call them nazis, then attempt to 'recruit' the very same voters over to the fold of their party with similar but watered down policies, is really stupid, ignorant and hypocritical. If they were essentially evil, you would not touch those that vote for them with a barge pole, after all, of all parties, it is the BNP that have had their insides ripped out for the benefit of the general media. If, after years of trying, all they can produce is heresay evidence and the (very) odd secret filming of people using 'offensive' language, then god help our future justice system. On that basis, probably half the population would be on a BBC tv programme for having views contrary to the national good.

If you can't discuss the activities of other parties without someone suggesting secret sympathies, then what the feck are we all bothering for in the first place? I don't want to see an end to one tyranny just so it can be replaced by another one of the political correct inept.

The bottom line is, it is the voters themselves who will and should remain the final say on these matters.

Indeed.
And in respect of that assertion about the voters:
I anticipate a number of party leaders and some of those who hang on to their coat-tails will find themselves high and dry, and their parties dehydrating like a beached whale.

Besoeker · 11-10-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Lesser Britain

or

Broken

I like that.

:standard:

Besoeker · 11-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

There is a huge danger in Scotland at the moment though.

Yes most Scots hate the EU.

Yes most Scots want freedom and power pushed to a local level.

I won't make sweeping generalisations about most Scots. I simply don't know most of them. But Ilived there for over 20 years so I did get to know quite a few. A couple of observations based on my experience.

Scots dislike the English as much, or maybe more than, the EU.
Scots support for independence is to get shot of power from Westminster.

I'm not claiming to subscribe to these attitudes. Just what I have observed.

One other point. Benefit claimants in Scotland are no higher than elsewhere in UK. In fact employment in Scotland is significantly above the EU average.

Rich C · 11-10-2006, 11:12 PM

What will we call the UK when Scotland leaves?

I'd call it a much richer place.

Independence Now! · 12-10-2006, 09:40 PM

I would call it a much duller place and I would dispute whether it would be richer. Your opinon there is just adding to the prejudice held by quite a few of them that this part of the United Kingdom is excessively materialistic. Frankly, when people here come up with such opinions then that prejudice appears to have some validity to it.

Independence Now! · 12-10-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by This-England

The Labour party of course has no worries about allowing ex-members of the Communist party to join its ranks and even sit in government.

Yet UKIP and the Conservatives are terrified if the Left even mention one of its members once attended a BNP meeting.

That is certainly true and a certain John Reid springs to mind immediately.

This-England · 12-10-2006, 09:43 PM

All multicultural states will fail.
The UK is no exception.

Independence Now! · 12-10-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by paullotion

There is no way "Scotland" is going to go its on way,most people here cannot stand the "Scottish Execitive",they have wasted countless amounts of our money on stupid things,take the "Parliament Building",originally it should have cost £40 million,but ended up costing £450 million and still going up.

Why would we want to hand everything over to the EU,most of us cannot stand EU and their stupid laws,if we had a vote tommorrow on leaving the EU most Scots would say yes.

There was a march a couple of weeks ago on going Indepentdent and maybe a 1,000 people turned up,says it all.

Good. I really hope that is the opinon of most Scots. Scotland has contributed to the United Kingdom out of all proportion to its size.

If you did leave, I personally would be very sad. :cry:

Independence Now! · 12-10-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by This-England

All multicultural states will fail.
The UK is no exception.

There is a difference between wanting it to happen as you do and which you may have guessed I thoroughly disagree with you and it actually happening.

Independence Now! · 12-10-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by This-England

All multicultural states will fail.
The UK is no exception.

There is a difference between wanting it to happen as you do and it actually happening.

Why do you want it to happen anyway? Have you got a problem with our fellow Britons?

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11-10-2006, 11:12 PM	#34 (permalink)
Rich C Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Leicester Posts: 220	What will we call the UK when Scotland leaves? I'd call it a much richer place.

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Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	I would call it a much duller place and I would dispute whether it would be richer. Your opinon there is just adding to the prejudice held by quite a few of them that this part of the United Kingdom is excessively materialistic. Frankly, when people here come up with such opinions then that prejudice appears to have some validity to it.

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This-England Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,682	All multicultural states will fail. The UK is no exception.