Independence Now!

I doubt it. I would think they love the oddballs and loonytunes merchants of the SNP and Plaid with their fanciful flights of fantasy of 'Independence in Europe' :roll: I would think that the EU LOVES separatists in Britian because they can see that even an 'independent' England would have little choice but to remain in the EU, let alone an 'independent' Scotland or Wales! The best chance we all have of being successful and free is if we ALL come out of the EU as a United Kingdom.

This-England

Because until now the EDP didnt go as far as the public wanted on issues like immigration.
The fact that English Nationalists in Blackburn have beaten the BNP 3 times on the trot shows the potential.

This-England

The only way you will get Scotland and Wales and indeed England out of the EU is if you appeal to the individual Nationalisms of these three nations.
When the SNP was anti-EEC in the 1970's it took a third of the vote in Scotland and that was at a time when British identity was far stronger.
UKIP and the BNP are wasting their time fighting in Scotland and Wales as the results speak for themselves.

Edward Longshanks

Actually that's very much a local phenomenon and they are a tiny party (less than 50 members). However, they have performed well, won 2 seats on Blackburn Council and polled 13.4% to the BNP's 9.7% recently.

The irony is that they are ex-BNP hardliners who think Griffin has watered down the BNP's policies while they remain loyal to Tyndall's interpretation of Nationalism. However I believe that rather important point isn't actually imparted to the Blackburn electorate when they stand. :roll:

This-England

But they have all so watered down their policys recently too and set up a branch in Burnley with others on the way.
The EDP has toughened its policys so i can see a big rise in support for English Nationalism at local level coming soon.

Populist Lee

I am still trying to work out what the "D" will be next year?
"Democratic"?
"Democracy"?
"Deal"?
"Decoy"?

Britannist

The United Kingdom (UK) would remain even if one – or even two – of its four members (i.e. Scotland) left it. Yugoslavia continued right up until the time its very last member voted in a referendum a few months ago to cut its links with Serbia (the ‘core’ of the Yugoslav state). It is actually true to say that if England quit the UK, the UK could continue as a nation state just comprising Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

Indeed, the UK could carry on if it consisted of England only – if the English decided that is how they wished their country to be known internationally in such institutions as the United Nations (UN). As I have said in postings to the forum before, usage of the name United Kingdom allows – in the alphabetic order seating system used at the UN and in some other international institutions – to sit next to the USA, the world’s top superpower. If we were called England, we might end up at the UN sitting next to the representative of a place like Eritrea, Ethiopia, Ecuador or Ethiopia. Nice people, I’m sure – but we belong (at the UN) right next to the powerful countries – and, preferably, one that speaks English (i.e. the USA).

As far as the name of our country goes, I do not “Britain”. It sounds similar to Brittany (France) and the name “Britain” implies non-inclusion of Northern Ireland, which is unacceptable. Great Britain obviously sounds better because of the word “Great” – but that term, again, does not include Northern Ireland. To include all parts of the UK, we have to call ourselves the United Kingdom (or UK) – which certainly sounds better than “Britain”. The name “United Kingdom” rightly emphasises our identity as a united, Royalist nation state and it (the term ‘United Kingdom’) can easily be abbreviated to UK for administrative purposes. Abbreviating England to ‘E’ or Britain to ‘B’ would confuse us with Egypt or Belgium.

The name “United Kingdom” is a good one and it should remain as the formal name of our country (England) in international organisations even if one of the non-English parts of the UK quit the Union 8) .

paullotion

There is no way "Scotland" is going to go its on way,most people here cannot stand the "Scottish Execitive",they have wasted countless amounts of our money on stupid things,take the "Parliament Building",originally it should have cost £40 million,but ended up costing £450 million and still going up.

Why would we want to hand everything over to the EU,most of us cannot stand EU and their stupid laws,if we had a vote tommorrow on leaving the EU most Scots would say yes.

There was a march a couple of weeks ago on going Indepentdent and maybe a 1,000 people turned up,says it all.

Britannist

I am glad you support the Union. Next year, if the SNP do make gains (in the Scottish Parliamentary elections), some in the media will say it means people support breaking from the rest of the UK. Some opinion polls put support for 'independence' at over 40% in Scotland.

I believe that some of the people in Scotland going on about quitting the UK would not - when/ if it came to it - vote to leave the UK in a referendum.

I also do not believe that many of the people who vote SNP (Scottish National Party) want Scotland to leave the UK. They are voting SNP as a protest vote or they vote for it tactically to try to get Labour out in places where the Conservative/Liberal Dims are too weak to do it (or they vote SNP to get Conservatives out in constituencies/wards where Labour/Liberal Dims are out of the running).

The SNP don't believe in real Scottish Independence anyway - they seek to get powers from Westminster and simply transfer them to the EU in Brussels instead. They are a europhile party - frankly, little different from the fanatically pro-EU Scottish Liberal 'Democrats'. The SNP wants EU-rule for Scotland instead of what they claim is English-rule of Scotland.

As regards England - I would like to see an English Parliament to deal with the same range of domestic matters as are currently dealt with by the Scottish Parliament regarding Scotland's internal matters. In other words, I want to see the people of England get parity with Scotland within the UK.

mkpdavies

There is a huge danger in Scotland at the moment though.

Yes most Scots hate the EU.

Yes most Scots want freedom and power pushed to a local level.

However, there is a double edged sword in Scotland.

1) Labour have got a lot of Scotland hooked on benefits. It's a con of course, because instead of people earnling their own money and keeping it, Labour tax them to death, then make them feel like they should be greatful for handing some of it back in benefits. There is also a number of people (like England) who can now get away with doing nothing, or working on the black market while claiming benefits.

2) Like England again, there is obvioulsy a lot of people who are not like that. They earn just eneough not to be entitled a tac rebate (benefits), but see all their money being wasted on folly, such as Hollyrood and all the other **** we also see down here.


So you have people who will vote Labour/Lib Dems hoping to maintain the Nanny state that they believe looks after them.

The rest are cynical, against the olf Troika parties as much as us. But there is a problem.

Th e SNP is that problem. A party that isn't part of the mainstream and stands for Scottish independence. A party that says it wants to return power to the Scottish people.

Sounds bloody great compare to the old lot and the fact is they have built up to a level where they not seen as a wasted vote!

But it's a con. A huge con and one it scares me to see. They don't stand for independence at all. They are even MORE willing to sell Scotland out to the EU. Scotland would effectively be cutting off their nose, to spite their face.

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