Recreation of Middlesex as a Political County

FredSucks · 21-09-2006, 11:06 PM

Just to confirm that the English Democrat support the recreation of Middlesex as a County.

As a minimum the re-created County would include:-

ENFIELD
EDGWARE
HARROW
NORTHWOOD
PINNER
RUISLIP
STANMORE
WEMBLEY
ASHFORD
BRENTFORD
FELTHAM
HAMPTON
HOUNSLOW
ISLEWORTH
SHEPPERTON
STAINES
SUNBURY-ON-THAMES
TEDDINGTON
TWICKENHAM
GREENFORD
HAYES
NORTHOLT
SOUTHALL
UXBRIDGE
WEST DRAYTON

Although if you go back far enough Middlesex covered ALL of London North of the Thames (Areas to the South of the Thames were in either Kent or Surrey)

English Democrats are dedicated to promoting awareness of the continuing importance of the 40 historic (or traditional) Counties of England. EDP believes that the Counties are an important part of the history, geography and cultural life of England and contends that England needs a fixed popular geography, one divorced from the ever changing names and areas of local government but, instead, one rooted in history, public understanding and commonly held notions of cultural identity. EDP, therefore, seeks to fully re-establish the use of the Counties as the standard popular geographical reference frame of England and to further encourage their use as a basis for social, sporting and cultural activities.

1 Bedfordshire
2 Berkshire
3 Buckinghamshire
4 Cambridgeshire
5 Cheshire
6 Cornwall
7 Cumberland
8 Derbyshire
9 Devon
10 Dorset
11 County Durham
12 Essex
13 Gloucestershire
14 Hampshire
15 Herefordshire
16 Hertfordshire
17 Huntingdonshire
18 Kent
19 Lancashire
20 Leicestershire
21 Lincolnshire
22 Middlesex
23 Norfolk
24 Northamptonshire
25 Northumberland
26 Nottinghamshire
27 Oxfordshire
28 Rutland
29 Shropshire
30 Somerset
31 Staffordshire
32 Suffolk
33 Surrey
34 Sussex
35 Warwickshire
36 Westmorland
37 Wiltshire
38 Worcestershire
39 Yorkshire
40 Monmouthshire (not shown in map above)

mkpdavies · 21-09-2006, 11:16 PM

Good luck with that.

FredSucks · 21-09-2006, 11:18 PM

Cheers

andypandy · 22-09-2006, 12:27 AM

The "This England" magazine has in the past advertised maps for sale of the original counties, with some historical data attached, which can be framed for wall hanging.

In Merseyside, I always try to ensure that all my addresses include the word Lancashire at the end, just to stress the point.

They don't like it up 'em, you know. (sharp points that is)

C_steam · 22-09-2006, 11:14 AM

interestingly, the 'historical counties' still exist as geographical units - they have never been superceded.

The 'new' counties are administrative units only, suposedly.

Quote:

From 1888 to 1965 local government "administrative counties" were closely based upon the traditional Counties. The last 40 years have seen numerous local government reforms: a modern local government map now bears little resemblence to the traditional Counties. However, the Government has always maintained that local government changes do not actually directly affect the Counties themselves. Despite such re-assurances, the tendency for the media, map-makers, publishers etc. to use local government areas as a basis for popular geography has obscured the identities of the Counties.

see http://www.abcounties.co.uk/

I support the ED's in this initiative. Well done!

For a nice colour map of the counties, see http://www.abcounties.co.uk/counties/map.htm

smooveOp · 22-09-2006, 04:39 PM

It all sounds good but as someone who lives in Middlesex I dont see how you could possibly do this.

Only West and North Middlesex still exist in any way (postal address, names of hospitals etc. )

The bit in between is and has been for a long time firmly in London and most people who live there now have probably never even heard of Middlesex and couldn't give a t*** anyway.

You must be monumentally bored.

IceDragon · 22-09-2006, 06:18 PM

Saddleworth has to be put back in the West Riding.

Besoeker · 22-09-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceDragon

Saddleworth has to be put back in the West Riding.

Maybe with it's gruesome history, nobody wants it?

Britannist · 22-09-2006, 09:05 PM

This all came up for discussion on the forum last year and I received support from most for the return of Middlesex.

Just a few points:

1. Middlesex already has official, legal status as a county. The county was abolished - but not the actual county. The county is represented (during visits to Middlesex by H. M. The Queen) its own Lord Lieutenant (who is first to greet the Monarch upon her arrival in the county).

2. Middlesex exists as a 'postal county' (western Middlesex commonly known as West London) and also Enfield.

3. The formal status of Middlesex as a county is confirmed in the Lord Lieutenancy Act.

As I've said before, I support a return not only to the pre-1974 county boundaries across the UK (before the europhile traitor Heath messed them all up) but a return to the boundaries which existed before the artificial Greater London area was established in 1965.

Therefore the artificial 'Greater London' area would be scrapped in order to bring back Middlesex. Middlesex boroughs such as Harrow, Richmond-on-Thames (northern part - Twickenham), Hounslow, Ealing, Enfield, Brent (Wembley) and Hillingdon (Heathrow-Uxgridge-Ruislip) would be formally 're-classified' as Middlesex - and not London - Boroughs.

In other words, Potters Bar (presently in Hertfordshire) would be returned to Middlesex for both postal and administrative purposes. Bromley (presently a London Borough) would come under the jurisdiction of Kent County Council again and Croydon would return to Surrey, becoming its largest town/city. Kingston-Upon-Thames, Richmond-Upon-Thames and Sutton-Cheam (all presently in London) would also return to Surrey. Havering and Redbridge (part of London) would become part of the Essex County Council again. Names such as 'Humberside', 'West Midlands', 'Avon', 'Merseyside' and Tyne and Wear' (invented by the disastrous Heath regime) would be wpied from the map of our country. Sutton Coldfield (now in Birmingham) would return to Warwickshire (as would Coventry) and Wolverhamton/Dudley would go back where they belong - to Staffordshire.

Whilst setting up the Middlesex County Council may not get public backing - pulling the Middlesex parts of 'Greater London' out of the 'Greater London' area would win wide support. Power should be returned from the Livingstone (i.e. red-controlled) Greater London Authority and returned to the Middlesex Boroughs (Harrow, Staines, Enfield etc.). Road signs should be placed at all entry/exit points to/from Middlesex clearly displaying the words "Welcome to Middlesex".

Both UKIP and the English Democrats should set up a joint campaign to achieve all this.

Richard Allen · 22-09-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britannist

Names such as 'Humberside', 'West Midlands', 'Avon', 'Merseyside' and Tyne and Wear' (invented by the disastrous Heath regime) would be wpied from the map of our country. Sutton Coldfield (now in Birmingham) would return to Warwickshire (as would Coventry) and Wolverhamton/Dudley would go back where they belong - to Staffordshire.

Actually quite a lot of Birmingham (not just Sutton Coldfield) would return to Warwickshire with another large chuck going into Worcestershire and a small area going into Staffordshire.

21-09-2006, 11:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
FredSucks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,941	Recreation of Middlesex as a Political County Just to confirm that the English Democrat support the recreation of Middlesex as a County. As a minimum the re-created County would include:- ENFIELD EDGWARE HARROW NORTHWOOD PINNER RUISLIP STANMORE WEMBLEY ASHFORD BRENTFORD FELTHAM HAMPTON HOUNSLOW ISLEWORTH SHEPPERTON STAINES SUNBURY-ON-THAMES TEDDINGTON TWICKENHAM GREENFORD HAYES NORTHOLT SOUTHALL UXBRIDGE WEST DRAYTON Although if you go back far enough Middlesex covered ALL of London North of the Thames (Areas to the South of the Thames were in either Kent or Surrey) English Democrats are dedicated to promoting awareness of the continuing importance of the 40 historic (or traditional) Counties of England. EDP believes that the Counties are an important part of the history, geography and cultural life of England and contends that England needs a fixed popular geography, one divorced from the ever changing names and areas of local government but, instead, one rooted in history, public understanding and commonly held notions of cultural identity. EDP, therefore, seeks to fully re-establish the use of the Counties as the standard popular geographical reference frame of England and to further encourage their use as a basis for social, sporting and cultural activities. 1 Bedfordshire 2 Berkshire 3 Buckinghamshire 4 Cambridgeshire 5 Cheshire 6 Cornwall 7 Cumberland 8 Derbyshire 9 Devon 10 Dorset 11 County Durham 12 Essex 13 Gloucestershire 14 Hampshire 15 Herefordshire 16 Hertfordshire 17 Huntingdonshire 18 Kent 19 Lancashire 20 Leicestershire 21 Lincolnshire 22 Middlesex 23 Norfolk 24 Northamptonshire 25 Northumberland 26 Nottinghamshire 27 Oxfordshire 28 Rutland 29 Shropshire 30 Somerset 31 Staffordshire 32 Suffolk 33 Surrey 34 Sussex 35 Warwickshire 36 Westmorland 37 Wiltshire 38 Worcestershire 39 Yorkshire 40 Monmouthshire (not shown in map above)

21-09-2006, 11:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Good luck with that. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

22-09-2006, 09:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Bring back Middlesex and proper county boundaries This all came up for discussion on the forum last year and I received support from most for the return of Middlesex. Just a few points: 1. Middlesex already has official, legal status as a county. The county was abolished - but not the actual county. The county is represented (during visits to Middlesex by H. M. The Queen) its own Lord Lieutenant (who is first to greet the Monarch upon her arrival in the county). 2. Middlesex exists as a 'postal county' (western Middlesex commonly known as West London) and also Enfield. 3. The formal status of Middlesex as a county is confirmed in the Lord Lieutenancy Act. As I've said before, I support a return not only to the pre-1974 county boundaries across the UK (before the europhile traitor Heath messed them all up) but a return to the boundaries which existed before the artificial Greater London area was established in 1965. Therefore the artificial 'Greater London' area would be scrapped in order to bring back Middlesex. Middlesex boroughs such as Harrow, Richmond-on-Thames (northern part - Twickenham), Hounslow, Ealing, Enfield, Brent (Wembley) and Hillingdon (Heathrow-Uxgridge-Ruislip) would be formally 're-classified' as Middlesex - and not London - Boroughs. In other words, Potters Bar (presently in Hertfordshire) would be returned to Middlesex for both postal and administrative purposes. Bromley (presently a London Borough) would come under the jurisdiction of Kent County Council again and Croydon would return to Surrey, becoming its largest town/city. Kingston-Upon-Thames, Richmond-Upon-Thames and Sutton-Cheam (all presently in London) would also return to Surrey. Havering and Redbridge (part of London) would become part of the Essex County Council again. Names such as 'Humberside', 'West Midlands', 'Avon', 'Merseyside' and Tyne and Wear' (invented by the disastrous Heath regime) would be wpied from the map of our country. Sutton Coldfield (now in Birmingham) would return to Warwickshire (as would Coventry) and Wolverhamton/Dudley would go back where they belong - to Staffordshire. Whilst setting up the Middlesex County Council may not get public backing - pulling the Middlesex parts of 'Greater London' out of the 'Greater London' area would win wide support. Power should be returned from the Livingstone (i.e. red-controlled) Greater London Authority and returned to the Middlesex Boroughs (Harrow, Staines, Enfield etc.). Road signs should be placed at all entry/exit points to/from Middlesex clearly displaying the words "Welcome to Middlesex". Both UKIP and the English Democrats should set up a joint campaign to achieve all this.

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21-09-2006, 11:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
FredSucks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,941	Cheers

22-09-2006, 12:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	The "This England" magazine has in the past advertised maps for sale of the original counties, with some historical data attached, which can be framed for wall hanging. In Merseyside, I always try to ensure that all my addresses include the word Lancashire at the end, just to stress the point. They don't like it up 'em, you know. (sharp points that is)

22-09-2006, 04:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
smooveOp Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Middlesex Posts: 571	It all sounds good but as someone who lives in Middlesex I dont see how you could possibly do this. Only West and North Middlesex still exist in any way (postal address, names of hospitals etc. ) The bit in between is and has been for a long time firmly in London and most people who live there now have probably never even heard of Middlesex and couldn't give a t*** anyway. You must be monumentally bored.

22-09-2006, 06:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
IceDragon Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,048	Saddleworth has to be put back in the West Riding.