Anonymous coward slags off UKIP on Tory Forum

[Torytruth]

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UKIP are using breathtaking hypocrisy to criticise European Union waste. Perhaps they should take a close look at their own party and remember the old saying about those in glass houses not throwing stones!

UKIPs 10 MEPs are nothing more than massively expensive parasites with their snouts deep in the trough of EU cash. The EU provides UKIP with £1.5 million of EU money to fund their party and once you add the cost of staff and facilities, wages and expenses then UKIP’s 10 MEPs cost the taxpayer a staggering £5 million every year.

Last year UKIP received £170,000 in EU money to pay for a 2 million signature petition on membership of the EU. After a few months this petition campaign was quietly abandoned after only a tiny fraction of signatures were collected. UKIP wasted £170,000 of taxpayers money - will they be giving the money back?

For a party who have lost half their membership in just 2 years and now have a little over 16,000 members they must be very grateful for the EU subsidies that keep them running.

We should also look at the financial incompetence of those that run UKIP. At the recent Bromley by-election people who paid donations towards the campaign found it being paid to a UKIP MEPs credit card! The campaign cost £75,000 and UKIP only got 2,300 votes.

UKIP had a fund raising call centre in Ashford that took 85p of every £1 raised in ‘expenses’ and ‘running costs’ so if somebody donated £100 only £15 would go to UKIP!

And for people who think they are backing a separate political party I would like to ask why is the new leader of UKIP Nigel Farage making deals not to stand UKIP candidates against certain Conservative MPs?

Since being elected in 2004 UKIPs MEPs have done very little to campaign to get Britain to quit the EU - still you wouldn’t want to bite the hand that feeds you would you!

Posted by: NAD CHOBLE | September 17, 2006 at 13:37

[mkpdavies]

Is any of it not true?

Makes uncomfortable reading as far as I'm concerned.

[eublues]

Arguably, if that's the worst anti-UKIP charge that can be assembled we aren't doing too badly.

How much are the traitorous parties costing the taxpayer (EU and otherwise)?

[Veelad]

Arguably, if that's the worst anti-UKIP charge that can be assembled we aren't doing too badly.

How much are the traitorous parties costing the taxpayer (EU and otherwise)?

It does not matter, if this is true, it's the first time I have heard of it

Makes uncomfortable reading as far as I'm concerned.

Very uncomfortable, "spongers" comes to mind (if true that is) :shock:

[michael mcgough]

If they attack us it is because they fear us

[mkpdavies]

They are attacking us with facts though, which is always the hardest attack to defend.

Fortunately for UKIP the media don't care at the moment, but if UKIP start looking a threat, they will.

Do you think UKIP has used 5 million of tax payers cash well? Do you think it has made 5 million of progress in getting UKIP out of the EU?


I'm not so sure.

[eublues]

UKIP ideally would have been doing better, but that is hardly news or deeply shameful.

OK the MEPs can be accused of snouts in the trough - there's probably a bit of that, but not universally.

The petition was a flop but it was an effort to try to get more people aware of the EU monster (which is what we are about).

We've lost members - OK, well we'd like to fix that (as would all political parties).

Bromley was a disappointment - OK, hardly a sin. Success can never be guaranteed.

Ashford - seems not to have been run effectively - someone should explain why this happened.

Little campaigning to get us out the EU - there could have been more but in the 2005 election, for example, the media and other parties made this very very difficult.

UKIP has cost (relatively small amounts of) taxpayer money, and might have done better, but the alternative to us attempting to inform and persuade is grim to contemplate. To be fair, UKIP and sympathetic others have had some successes in the past five years, at least where the enemy came out for an open fight.

[Torytruth]

Interestingly:

Coming from a self appointed spokesman in Virtual Reality surely it is worth noting that he puts forward the policy of the new Tory right EUKIP without the Reality of Virtue that they are the most heavily tax payer funded political group in Britain - being, they claim, funded by donations from their MEPs, fraud on the EU and one in house backer of consequence.

The amount they lost in running Ashford as the fiefdom of a clique collecting in cash, when less than 15% reached the party, made the entire operation look like a scam and when their new leaders regional accounts list 55% of the income as 'other expenses' - one wonders just what does happen to tax payers money, let alone that of the unfortunate members!

No wonder it was so clearly to the advantage of the ruling clique to lie, cheat, dissemble, smear and corrupt the election so that their man could steal the result.

Farage is clearly very Tory in methodology - where Vapid Cameroon lied about the EPP to pretend to EUroRealist credentials and defeat the better man and ensure that Conservatives were the losers.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

[Veelad]

OK the MEPs can be accused of snouts in the trough - there's probably a bit of that, but not universally.

The petition was a flop but it was an effort to try to get more people aware of the EU monster (which is what we are about).

We've lost members - OK, well we'd like to fix that (as would all political parties).

Bromley was a disappointment - OK, hardly a sin. Success can never be guaranteed.

Ashford - seems not to have been run effectively - someone should explain why this happened.

Not exactly an inspiring record is it :shock:

I doubt any of the above will change with NF in charge, probably more of the same I suspect.

Maybe i will be proved wrong, who knows

[eublues]

Not exactly an inspiring record is it

It's been disappointing (at least since 2004). We can but try harder. (Nigel was on the Politics Show within the past couple of hours apparently - does that count for anything?)