Anti-EU Tory MEP Helmer says clubbing of seals is 'humane'

Britannist · 17-09-2006, 04:42 AM

Clubbing seals to death is “humane” :shock: according to remarks allegedly made by Mr. Roger Helmer, the Conservative anti-EU member of the EU ‘Parliament’ for the ‘east’ Midlands of England (Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire/Rutlandshire, Northamptonshire and Lincolnshire).

This report (which includes details of Mr. Helmer’s political views/background and a mention for UKIP) from the Burton (Daily) Mail (which is the local newspaper for parts of Derbyshire and Leicestershire as well as East/South/Central Staffordshire):

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/detail.a...ews&id=6811151

* Britannist writes: The hunting of and killing of seals is wrong and should be stopped. But Mr. Helmer, is, of course, right about the EU. The EU is bad and we must get out of it.

mkpdavies · 17-09-2006, 07:27 AM

The hunting and killing of seals isn't wrong, if you believe in meat eating or fish stock preservation. I know they look cute, but so do little piggy wiggies too.

However, I am far from convinced clubbing them into a pulp while they are babies infront of their mothers is a fair and humane way to control them.

kernow · 17-09-2006, 12:17 PM

Roger Helmer is a typical politician, only raising issues which he knows will get the majority of people onside e.g 'Seal pup clubbing'. Pity he isn't brave enough to speak out about the barbaric practice of Religious slaughter which takes place in the UK. More animals are killed every week in the UK by having their throats cut without pre stunning, just to satisfy the religious beliefs of Muslims and Jews, than the number of seal pups killed annually. If you don't believe me write to the RSPCA and ask for their latest figures on the number and type of animal slaughtered by Religious methods in the UK every week, you'll be shocked!

brian pearson · 17-09-2006, 09:58 PM

Apart from the needless cruelty involved in halal slaughter the other ridiculous aspect of this is that they seem to be able to do it anywhere that has been blessed or whatever they need to do. Meanwhile small abatoirs are shut down by the overburdening regulations causing distress to animals being transported for miles. Or am I wrong ?

kernow · 17-09-2006, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian pearson

Apart from the needless cruelty involved in halal slaughter the other ridiculous aspect of this is that they seem to be able to do it anywhere that has been blessed or whatever they need to do. Meanwhile small abatoirs are shut down by the overburdening regulations causing distress to animals being transported for miles. Or am I wrong ?

The knife is blessed! Which is not much consolation for the poor animal that's about to have it's throat cut!

Britannist · 18-09-2006, 07:59 AM

I simply cannot accept the excuse that a seal should be clubbed to death because it eats "too much" fish.

I don't suppose that too many readers of this posting would like it very much if someone bashed them over the head with a metal rod because the attacker felt they were eating "too much" fish :shock: :shock: :shock: .

mkpdavies · 18-09-2006, 08:51 AM

I agree the method doesn't seem to be the best.

Christina · 18-09-2006, 08:52 AM

I think it is inhumane. If an animal is clubbed to death, the clubber would be prosecuted. I don't see why seal pups are an exception to this. They are not even counted as vermin.

mkpdavies · 18-09-2006, 08:57 AM

They are in fishermans circles.

Like Halal though, the method is cruel.

Britannist · 18-09-2006, 09:00 PM

Mr. Helmer would have got more public support if he had criticised the fact that 'industrial-sized' fishing vessels from EU nations are 'hoovering up' lucrative British fish supplies - instead of allegedly claiming seals eat too much fish.

The report on him backing the clubbing of seals (see first posting to this thread) could be interpreted as an attempt to 'paint' an anti-EU politician (Mr. Helmer) as being 'heartless'. I wonder if the report would have been written had it been a pro-EU politician who had backed the clubbing of seals.

Roger Helmer's anti-EU views are to be commended, but has he done himself any favours by making the alleged remarks about seals?

I would like to see UKIP adopt moderate animal rights policies. I know that there are many people in UKIP who would agree with this and who are, for instance, (in principal) against fox hunting.

17-09-2006, 04:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Anti-EU Tory MEP Helmer says clubbing of seals is 'humane' Clubbing seals to death is “humane” :shock: according to remarks allegedly made by Mr. Roger Helmer, the Conservative anti-EU member of the EU ‘Parliament’ for the ‘east’ Midlands of England (Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire/Rutlandshire, Northamptonshire and Lincolnshire). This report (which includes details of Mr. Helmer’s political views/background and a mention for UKIP) from the Burton (Daily) Mail (which is the local newspaper for parts of Derbyshire and Leicestershire as well as East/South/Central Staffordshire): http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/detail.a...ews&id=6811151 * Britannist writes: The hunting of and killing of seals is wrong and should be stopped. But Mr. Helmer, is, of course, right about the EU. The EU is bad and we must get out of it.

17-09-2006, 07:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,820	The hunting and killing of seals isn't wrong, if you believe in meat eating or fish stock preservation. I know they look cute, but so do little piggy wiggies too. However, I am far from convinced clubbing them into a pulp while they are babies infront of their mothers is a fair and humane way to control them. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

18-09-2006, 07:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Fishy attack I simply cannot accept the excuse that a seal should be clubbed to death because it eats "too much" fish. I don't suppose that too many readers of this posting would like it very much if someone bashed them over the head with a metal rod because the attacker felt they were eating "too much" fish :shock: :shock: :shock: .

18-09-2006, 08:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,820	I agree the method doesn't seem to be the best. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

18-09-2006, 08:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,820	They are in fishermans circles. Like Halal though, the method is cruel. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

17-09-2006, 12:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	Roger Helmer is a typical politician, only raising issues which he knows will get the majority of people onside e.g 'Seal pup clubbing'. Pity he isn't brave enough to speak out about the barbaric practice of Religious slaughter which takes place in the UK. More animals are killed every week in the UK by having their throats cut without pre stunning, just to satisfy the religious beliefs of Muslims and Jews, than the number of seal pups killed annually. If you don't believe me write to the RSPCA and ask for their latest figures on the number and type of animal slaughtered by Religious methods in the UK every week, you'll be shocked!

17-09-2006, 09:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
brian pearson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: nottinghanshire Posts: 744	Apart from the needless cruelty involved in halal slaughter the other ridiculous aspect of this is that they seem to be able to do it anywhere that has been blessed or whatever they need to do. Meanwhile small abatoirs are shut down by the overburdening regulations causing distress to animals being transported for miles. Or am I wrong ?

18-09-2006, 08:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	I think it is inhumane. If an animal is clubbed to death, the clubber would be prosecuted. I don't see why seal pups are an exception to this. They are not even counted as vermin.

18-09-2006, 09:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Is the local newspaper article about Mr. Helmer biased? Mr. Helmer would have got more public support if he had criticised the fact that 'industrial-sized' fishing vessels from EU nations are 'hoovering up' lucrative British fish supplies - instead of allegedly claiming seals eat too much fish. The report on him backing the clubbing of seals (see first posting to this thread) could be interpreted as an attempt to 'paint' an anti-EU politician (Mr. Helmer) as being 'heartless'. I wonder if the report would have been written had it been a pro-EU politician who had backed the clubbing of seals. Roger Helmer's anti-EU views are to be commended, but has he done himself any favours by making the alleged remarks about seals? I would like to see UKIP adopt moderate animal rights policies. I know that there are many people in UKIP who would agree with this and who are, for instance, (in principal) against fox hunting.

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