Drive on hard shoulder

B.A.Ware · 31-08-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver

I Thought that hard shoulder bit of the M42 was called the BA Ware lane either on account of his old banger breaking down regularly or he has politbeauro priveliges?
Wad ya say BA :?:

The only break down I’ve had is a bloody nervous one sitting in the queue because they have given priority to the bloody M42 toll road and us none paying peasants have to join the M42 via a slip road :evil: .

They have changed all of the roads around here to give priority access to the Bloody toll road.
They have built the A38 straight through an island so the A5 via a new Hints bypass can access the toll road quicker.

The Sutton bypass, which was one road, now has two islands so that people can get on and off.
Strange all of these changes happening once the toll road was finished. :roll:

By the way I am totally against the idea of using the hard shoulder to save money what price is a life worth.

As for the lay-bys every 500 yards are theses going to be long enough to take a car towing a caravan and a recovery vehicle which wont be able to get to you, as it will be stuck in traffic.
What happens when emergency vehicles want to get to the scene of an accident?
Surely it would be cheaper to build one extra lane than thousands of lay-bys

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 03:13 PM

It's not a case of saving a life.

When the traffic is busy (ie bumper to bumper), then they let the hardh shoulder be used to give them a bit of temporary bandwidth.

IF a car breaks down, then if it can free wheel, limp into one of the bays they put every 500 yards, then the lane they are broken down in becomes a hard shoulder for a few yards again, just like normal roads do now!

We aren't talking about free flowing traffic zooming around, but busy times!

Oliver · 31-08-2006, 03:36 PM

Well?
You could have a B.A.Ware lane on the Toll Rd too if you weren't so tight as to avoid it. Go on pay up!

B.A.Ware · 31-08-2006, 03:52 PM

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We aren't talking about free flowing traffic zooming around, but busy times

Well the bloke on Radio 5 was talking of speeds of 50mph.

If they think they can react and close off the hard shoulder lane quicker that a tired motorist can drive into the back of someone they will learn the hard way.

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 03:55 PM

What, like you have to do on Dual carridge ways etc now?

I don't like the idea of it being done at those speeds though, there doens't seem to be a huge amount of point if it is flowing freely enough to have those speeds.

John Carter · 31-08-2006, 04:43 PM

There's an easier way:

Make the driving test harder. And make everyone re-sit it every 5/10 years. That'll get some traffic off the roads.

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 04:47 PM

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Make the driving test harder. And make everyone re-sit it every 5/10 years. That'll get some traffic off the roads.

Yes, I'm sure that'll be a vote winner. :roll:

John Carter · 31-08-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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Make the driving test harder. And make everyone re-sit it every 5/10 years. That'll get some traffic off the roads.

Yes, I'm sure that'll be a vote winner. :roll:

Well, if it's just votes you're after instead of doing the right thing, then let's do away with the driving test. And get rid of the speed limits while we're at it. And taxes.

mkpdavies · 31-08-2006, 05:04 PM

The reason it will not be popular is it isn't the right thing.

It's something Neo Labout might come out with, with their control freakery.

As usual getting the balance right it most important. A tough, real test to start with is fair.

Maybe there is a case for some extra testing when you hit 60 or something, but anything more than that is too close to the nanny state.

B.A.Ware · 31-08-2006, 05:10 PM

Give tax incentives for haulage to travel at night.

31-08-2006, 03:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	It's not a case of saving a life. When the traffic is busy (ie bumper to bumper), then they let the hardh shoulder be used to give them a bit of temporary bandwidth. IF a car breaks down, then if it can free wheel, limp into one of the bays they put every 500 yards, then the lane they are broken down in becomes a hard shoulder for a few yards again, just like normal roads do now! We aren't talking about free flowing traffic zooming around, but busy times! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	What, like you have to do on Dual carridge ways etc now? I don't like the idea of it being done at those speeds though, there doens't seem to be a huge amount of point if it is flowing freely enough to have those speeds. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

31-08-2006, 05:04 PM	#19 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	The reason it will not be popular is it isn't the right thing. It's something Neo Labout might come out with, with their control freakery. As usual getting the balance right it most important. A tough, real test to start with is fair. Maybe there is a case for some extra testing when you hit 60 or something, but anything more than that is too close to the nanny state. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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31-08-2006, 03:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Oliver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WHITBY North Yorkshire (but my heart is in Woking) Posts: 1,061	Well? You could have a B.A.Ware lane on the Toll Rd too if you weren't so tight as to avoid it. Go on pay up!

31-08-2006, 04:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	There's an easier way: Make the driving test harder. And make everyone re-sit it every 5/10 years. That'll get some traffic off the roads.