War, what is it good for?

mkpdavies · 25-08-2006, 09:52 AM

Making a shed load of cash.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...856915,00.html

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Promoting peace is for wimps - real governments sell weapons

Labour seems to see the escalating dangers in the Middle East as little more than an opportunity for business

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So why does Her Majesty's Government behave like a subsidiary of BAE? A report by the Campaign Against the Arms Trade (CAAT) shows that 39% of all the senior public servants who go to work for the private sector are employees of the Ministry of Defence moving into arms firms. In return, scores of arms dealers are seconded to the ministry. The man who runs DESO, for example, previously worked for BAE, selling arms in the Middle East.

CAAT lists the government committees stuffed with arms executives, the donations, the lobbyists, the Labour peers taking the corporate shilling, and I am sure all this plays an important role. But it seems to me that something else is at work. There appears to be a sense among some at the core of government that peace, human rights and democracy are for wimps, while the serious business, for real players, is war and the means by which it is enacted.

Of course, the Saudis are good Muslims, who read a special Koran that is good. The fact Saudi's have more suicide bombers than most is irrelevant, because the Royal family will reign no matter what the people want there.

Ahhhhh, promoting freedom and democracy around the world. Don't you feel proud.

The Last Knight · 25-08-2006, 12:10 PM

I think the line you are looking for is:

Absolutely Nothing.

blondy · 25-08-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Last Knight

I think the line you are looking for is:

Absolutely Nothing.

In this case:

War, what is it good for?

Absolutely keeping the bad guys from advancing unchallenged as they try to disrupt the delivery of or take over the world's vital resources while gaining vital funding and momentum. And it's also good for showing them that we have the will to oppose them. It's good to deplete their leadership and funding sources and disrupt their communication and organizational networks and to keep them on the defensive and make it more difficult for them to mount offensive campaigns against the west.

Defenses ALWAYS break down. A "defense only" philosophy is guaranteed suicide. You ALWAYS win a war on the OTHER GUY's territory.

If the opposition is waging war and you are wagering on peace saving you, you will lose.

You might as well start studying the Koran now.

What is war good for? For saving liberty, tolerance, the rule of law, your culture, government, economy, your family and friends and you!

extra ordinary · 25-08-2006, 08:41 PM

we are talking about 2 things here are we not ?

1.
the probable corrupt practices of some governments and some suppliers ref. their arms deals.
pay offs, specials favours, dodgy credits etc.
I speak for all -except I imagine those doing under the counter giving and receiving;
I hate mal practice !!

law enforcement required.
Dumping your telly in the canal or deceiving the entire nation, both must be investigated and justice metered to the satisfaction of the people.

2.
what is war good for ?
very few wouId say oh yes a war, how lovely, but to me blondy is correct,
there are wars that have to be waged. we live in country where an general election has been won, the winner how ever awful has been selected,
if bad men come saying I do not like your choice so I am at war with you and I am using terror, then we will fight -we have to do so.

Mikeuk · 26-08-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by extra ordinary

we live in country where an general election has been won, the winner how ever awful has been selected,

Utter rot. If people had known that Blair would go to war he would have been dumped.

Your argument applies 100% to supportung Hitler and the Nazis.

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then we will fight -we have to do so.

No we don't.

The only people I am prepared to fight are the warmongers who are imposing this fascistic policy on us.

In the unlikely event that conscription were introduced I would absolutely refuse to serve, and so would all true British patriots.

Blair is a traitor and a murderer who deserves everything he gets.

extra ordinary · 26-08-2006, 08:37 PM

sadly folk knew that blair was going to war, as the war had already happened in 2005 when he won election.

not sure why you wouId refuse to serve in a war, I understand clearly not the Iraq war as that I agree was based on some kind of mis calculation or even deception.

but a war to save your democracy, your country ? explain ?

blondy · 27-08-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

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Originally Posted by extra ordinary

we live in country where an general election has been won, the winner how ever awful has been selected,

Utter rot. If people had known that Blair would go to war he would have been dumped.

Your argument applies 100% to supportung Hitler and the Nazis.

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then we will fight -we have to do so.

No we don't.

The only people I am prepared to fight are the warmongers who are imposing this fascistic policy on us.

In the unlikely event that conscription were introduced I would absolutely refuse to serve, and so would all true British patriots.

Blair is a traitor and a murderer who deserves everything he gets.

I think he is going to get a warm thank you from the people of the world who love freedom and democracy. Obviously that is not what you think he will get.

What do you think he is going to, "GET???" :shock:

blondy · 27-08-2006, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by extra ordinary

sadly folk knew that blair was going to war, as the war had already happened in 2005 when he won election.

not sure why you wouId refuse to serve in a war, I understand clearly not the Iraq war as that I agree was based on some kind of mis calculation or even deception.

but a war to save your democracy, your country ? explain ?

Despite what he says I think the only way to easily understand his point of view is to consider the view of avowed jihadists.

After reading this article you will see that everything Mikeuk says makes sense in the context of someone who abhors EVERYTHING about the current government and status quo.

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http://www.nytimes.com/library/magaz...g-taliban.html

INSIDE JIHAD U.

The Education of a Holy Warrior

In a Pakistani religious school called the Haqqania madrasa, Osama bin Laden is a hero, the Taliban's leaders are famous alums and the next generation of mujahedeen is being militantly groomed.

By JEFFREY GOLDBERG Photographs By Laurent Van Der Stockt

On campus at the Haqqania madrasa, which has ''placed'' more students in the Taliban leadership than any other school in the world

bout two hours east of the Khyber Pass, in the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan, alongside the Grand Trunk Road, sits a school called the Haqqania madrasa. A madrasa is a Muslim religious seminary, and Haqqania is one of the bigger madrasas in Pakistan: its mosques and classrooms and dormitories are spread over eight weed-covered acres, and the school currently enrolls more than 2,800 students. Tuition, room and board are free; the students are, in the main, drawn from the dire poor, and the madrasa raises its funds from wealthy Pakistanis, as well as from devout, and politically minded, Muslims in the countries of the Persian Gulf.

The students range in age from 8 and 9 to 30, sometimes to 35. The youngest boys spend much of their days seated cross-legged on the floors of airless classrooms, memorizing the Koran. This is a process that takes between six months and three years, and it is made even more difficult than it sounds by the fact that the Koran they study is in the original Arabic. These boys tend to know only Pashto, the language of the Pathan ethnic group that dominates this region of Pakistan, as well as much of nearby Afghanistan. In a typical class, the teachers sit on the floor with the boys, reading to them in Arabic, and the boys repeat what the teachers say. This can go on between four and eight hours each day.

What Westerners would think of as high-school-age and college-age students are enrolled in an eight-year course of study that focuses on interpretation of the Koran and of the Hadith, the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. These students also study Islamic jurisprudence and Islamic history. The oldest of those attending Haqqania -- the postgraduates, if you will -- are enrolled in the "mufti course." A mufti, in Islam, is a cleric who is allowed to issue fatwas, or religious rulings, on matters ranging from family law to the rules governing the waging of jihad, or "holy war." (One room in the school's administration building houses upward of 100,000 fatwas issued by the madrasa over the years.) There are about 600 students in the mufti course.

Very few of the students at the Haqqania madrasa study anything but Islamic subjects. There are no world history courses, or math courses, or computer rooms or science labs at the madrasa.

Jeffrey Goldberg is a contributing writer for the magazine. He wrote a cover article in February about King Abdullah II of Jordan.

The Haqqania madrasa is, in fact, a jihad factory.

This does not make it unique in Pakistan. There are one million students studying in the country's 10,000 or so madrasas, and militant Islam is at the core of most of these schools. Many madrasas are village affairs, with student bodies of 25 or 50. Some of the madrasas are sponsored by Pakistan's religious parties, and some are affiliated with the mujahedeen groups waging jihad against India in the disputed province of Kashmir.

Mikeuk · 27-08-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blondy

What do you think he is going to, "GET???" :shock:

He should be strung up, preferably on a gallows 30 metres high.

BASILDON BOY · 27-08-2006, 02:05 PM

Peace through superior firepower....

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25-08-2006, 08:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
extra ordinary Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: south east Posts: 196	we are talking about 2 things here are we not ? 1. the probable corrupt practices of some governments and some suppliers ref. their arms deals. pay offs, specials favours, dodgy credits etc. I speak for all -except I imagine those doing under the counter giving and receiving; I hate mal practice !! law enforcement required. Dumping your telly in the canal or deceiving the entire nation, both must be investigated and justice metered to the satisfaction of the people. 2. what is war good for ? very few wouId say oh yes a war, how lovely, but to me blondy is correct, there are wars that have to be waged. we live in country where an general election has been won, the winner how ever awful has been selected, if bad men come saying I do not like your choice so I am at war with you and I am using terror, then we will fight -we have to do so.

26-08-2006, 08:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
extra ordinary Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: south east Posts: 196	sadly folk knew that blair was going to war, as the war had already happened in 2005 when he won election. not sure why you wouId refuse to serve in a war, I understand clearly not the Iraq war as that I agree was based on some kind of mis calculation or even deception. but a war to save your democracy, your country ? explain ?

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BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,686	Peace through superior firepower....