The next time an idiotic white bigot calls

mkpdavies · 10-08-2006, 01:41 PM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...304386,00.html

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But Mr Cameron has a problem (another problem): the Tory leader himself is failing to practise what he preaches. Four of his five closest advisers are Old Etonians. There is only one woman with significant influence in his wider kitchen cabinet: his deputy chief of staff, Kate Fall. The most senior positions in his shadow team are all taken by men, most of them privately educated. The party leader can hardly force the associations to be more inclusive when he has so comprehensively failed to be so himself.

Cameron is in effect being called a closet racist!

How ironic!

Aardvark · 10-08-2006, 04:00 PM

Having met DC on a number of occasions and knowing some of his West Oxon inner circle very well, I think it is entirely possible that he doesn't really feel comfortable with people of differing backgrounds for anything other than short periods. He led, until the birth of his disabled son, a charmed life that was Eton, Oxford (Brasenose), Con Central Office Adviser and Carlton TV director. There is nothing in there that suggests having met the workers on a regular basis and it is possible that he doesn't have any real 'working class' friends.

Tashry · 10-08-2006, 05:07 PM

Thats the thing, he wants Eton Elitest liberals by this side.

Britannist · 10-08-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Having met DC on a number of occasions and knowing some of his West Oxon inner circle very well, I think it is entirely possible that he doesn't really feel comfortable with people of differing backgrounds for anything other than short periods. He led, until the birth of his disabled son, a charmed life that was Eton, Oxford (Brasenose), Con Central Office Adviser and Carlton TV director. There is nothing in there that suggests having met the workers on a regular basis and it is possible that he doesn't have any real 'working class' friends.

I doubt that many of David Cameron's team have any friends among the working class at all. Mrs. (now Lady) Thatcher understood the working class and, I think, they knew and felt this (up until 'poll tax' anyway).

Some political commentators would say that there are two types of Etonian - the anti-UKIP David Cameron being one and (The Late) Alan Clark MP being the other. Patriot Alan Clark was enormously popular with a good, solid understanding of the history of this country and an ability to correctly 'read' the mood of the British public. Quite understandably, he disilked the EU, civil servants (especially those in the supposedly British Foreign Office) and he was, admirably, strongly 'animal rights' (in the non-left wing sense).

When Etonian Alan Clark was selected as Conservative candidate for Kensington and Chelsea in December 1996 there was near jubilation locally. I remember hearing a disc jockey on one of the London radio stations saying they looked forward to Alan Clark's return to the Commons. There was even talk of him leading the Conservative Party when it returned to opposition in May 1997.

There is no doubt at all that Alan Clark was a real 'toff' in the best sense of the term. He was, undeniably popular with the English working class. He understood and liked the working class - and they understood and liked him.

For a view of that other Etonian (David Cameron) I've just posted (in a thread in this section entitled "Anti-UKIP Cameron 'Sharp-tongued, aggressive, patronising') extracts of an interesting and not very flattering article by someone who looks back at the only non-political job David Cameron has held and his attitude to those who made criticisms.

adrianwainer · 10-08-2006, 07:30 PM

Britannist wrote

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There is no doubt at all that Alan Clark was a real 'toff' in the best sense of the term. He was, undeniably popular with the English working class. He understood and liked the working class - and they understood and liked him.

Alan Clark liked Women and classic sports cars, which are well observed traits of the best of the British upper class.

It must be a bit of a come-down for Kensington and Chelsea to have have "Lord Snooty" AKA ex Foreign Secretary Sir Malcom Rifkind foisted on them after having Alan Clark as their MP. Frankly as far I am concerned, Rifkind just oozes condescension for everything that is good about Britain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Rifkind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Clark

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

adrianwainer · 10-08-2006, 07:36 PM

Hi am I am missing something here, what has this article go to do with David Cameron?

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATIO....ap/index.html

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

mkpdavies · 10-08-2006, 07:41 PM

Pasted the wrong link. I'll fix it now.

Britannist · 10-08-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by adrianwainer

Britannist wrote

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There is no doubt at all that Alan Clark was a real 'toff' in the best sense of the term. He was, undeniably popular with the English working class. He understood and liked the working class - and they understood and liked him.

Alan Clark liked Women and classic sports cars, which are well observed traits of the best of the British upper class.

It must be a bit of a come-down for Kensington and Chelsea to have have "Lord Snooty" AKA ex Foreign Secretary Sir Malcom Rifkind foisted on them after having Alan Clark as their MP. Frankly as far I am concerned, Rifkind just oozes condescension for everything that is good about Britain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Rifkind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Clark

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

I read something in the London Evening Standard a few weeks ago which said that some people in the Kensington and Chelsea Conservative Association were not pleased with Sir Malcolm Rifkind allegedly not doing enough to help out in the 2006 local election campaign (in the Royal Borough).

That great enemy of many an MP, the (Parliamentary) boundary commissioner is hard at work on Kensington-Chelsea and Hammersmith-Fulham boroughs at the moment, so I hear. The intention is to create a new Kensington seat and to split off 'true-blue' Chelsea (from the present Kensington constituency held by Sir Malcolm Rifkind) and merge it into a new Chelsea-Fulham constituency (based on boundaries the Conservatives have been campaigning for for many years). The favourite, so the press say, to be selected as Conservative candidate in the new Chelsea-Fulham seat is Greg Hands (who won Hammersmith from Labour last year). This would leave Sir Malcolm Rifkind as Conservative candidate for a much more marginal Kensington seat (which would, for the first time in some years, including the Labour-voting north Kensington wards currently in the Regents Park constituency due for possible abolition by the boundary commissioner).

Sir Malcolm Rifkind (pro-EU despite whatever he tries to say now) might actually have to face re-selection in the new marginal Kensington seat (if Greg Hands is picked to stand at Chelsea-Fulham and Sir Malcolm Rifkind is not). My understanding is that, in theory, he might be replaced as Conservative candidate. Even if he does remain as candidate, the new seat would, nominally, only have a small Conservative majority - and that only after a lot of hard work to hold on to it.

Sir Malcolm Rifkind was chosen as Conservative candidate for the seat he now holds (Kensington-Chelsea) before the Conservative leadership contest last year. Observers say that he was picked because Conservatives in Kensington thought it was likely he would have won any Conservative leadership bid.

As we now know, he did not. In fact, he pulled out before there was even a vote :shock: .

adrianwainer · 10-08-2006, 09:20 PM

Thanx mkpdavies for getting hold of the article.

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Mr Cameron ought to recognise, as Labour once had to, that trying to persuade local parties to change has failed. Conservative associations, which guard their independence like two-year-olds a favourite toy, have clung doggedly and dementedly on to their right to select the local white middle-class male in the face of years of pleas from Tory leaders to sit up and listen.

The ability of a clutch of idiots, often frankly bigots, not representative even of the Conservative Party, let alone the country as a whole, to dictate the face of the national party, has become one of the Tories’ totemic characteristics, a rule considered so untouchable that no one would dare meddle with it. They once said that about Clause Four.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...304386,00.html

I have only read it and quite quickly, but my first impression is that the author of the article is playing the typical Left wing fascist trick of branding anyone they might disagree with as a racist, a bigot, a hater of women and such like, in this case local Conservative associations. Presumably the authorities of the Workers utopia that was the Communist ideal that was the USSR were expressing their deep respect for ethnic minoritys and Women and mothers, when they dammed the Aral sea and exploded nuclear weapons leading to an epidemic of genetic birth defects amongst children born to Russia's minority ethnic communitys in the relevant areas.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Mikeuk · 11-08-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Having met DC on a number of occasions and knowing some of his West Oxon inner circle very well, I think it is entirely possible that he doesn't really feel comfortable with people of differing backgrounds for anything other than short periods. He led, until the birth of his disabled son, a charmed life that was Eton, Oxford (Brasenose), Con Central Office Adviser and Carlton TV director. There is nothing in there that suggests having met the workers on a regular basis and it is possible that he doesn't have any real 'working class' friends.

When Cameron was running for the leadership there was an all-out effort by the press to secure details of his drug-related past. I was contacted by a reporter on a national newspaper to see if I 'knew anything'

I phoned round a number of old Tory friends - mostly 'libbos' - from Cameron's generation. The consensus ran along these lines.

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'Cameron must certainly have done stuff, but because he NEVER had anything to do with the YCs or FCS, nobody in conventional Tory circles knows anything about him. We have all the dirt on all the ex-FCS people but this guy has kept himself to himself.'

If any reporter could break into the tiny Eton-based upper-class circle in which Cameron has always moved they could have a field day.

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adrianwainer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 823	puzzled Hi am I am missing something here, what has this article go to do with David Cameron? http://edition.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATIO....ap/index.html Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer

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10-08-2006, 04:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,692	Having met DC on a number of occasions and knowing some of his West Oxon inner circle very well, I think it is entirely possible that he doesn't really feel comfortable with people of differing backgrounds for anything other than short periods. He led, until the birth of his disabled son, a charmed life that was Eton, Oxford (Brasenose), Con Central Office Adviser and Carlton TV director. There is nothing in there that suggests having met the workers on a regular basis and it is possible that he doesn't have any real 'working class' friends.

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Tashry Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 380	Thats the thing, he wants Eton Elitest liberals by this side.