England's Parliamentary Party

eublues · 04-08-2006, 08:41 AM

www.eppweb.com - does anyone know the background to this group - were they once UKIP?

gawain · 04-08-2006, 10:52 AM

Led by Paul Gilbert, formerly branch chair in the West Midlands, think he went to Vanitas
http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/about1601.html

See this earlier thread

C_steam · 04-08-2006, 11:08 AM

Yup.

Full of good stuff like:-

Quote:

No to Phone Masts in Populated Areas

Is it just me or can everyone else spot the problem here?

Waka · 04-08-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPP

This is a new political party without the same old "professional politicians".

Lol.

That website looks appallingly ghetto.

mkpdavies · 04-08-2006, 02:25 PM

I find it sad that good people, are all trying to fight the same battles on their own.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 04-08-2006, 02:58 PM

Just to confirm that

England's Parliamentary Party is not registered at the Electoral Commission.

They only manage to register E.P.P.

There is already an English Parliamentary Party.

Yes we have - don't ask :roll:

Hereward · 04-08-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I find it sad that good people, are all trying to fight the same battles on their own.

Yes, but often it is because they won't stomach a different position on a peripheral issue. So, instead of joining the 'offending' party to try and modify its policy, they remain aloof and retain their political virginity. As Nye Bevan once said words to the effect that, if the price of purity is powerlessness, it's a price which is often not worth paying.

I sometimes wonder whether there is not also an 'ego trip' element. Is it better to be a big fish in a very small pool - and publish photos of yerself outside No 10? :roll: :roll: :roll:

mkpdavies · 04-08-2006, 04:46 PM

I agree with that to a degree.

Yet, you could say that about us choosing smaller parties, instead of "serious" ones.

Where do you draw the line. If you really don't believe in a party, or the people who lead it and you feel you have no chance of chaging it, where do you go from there?

Hereward · 04-08-2006, 05:03 PM

All I can reply is to echo "If that is the case" you limit your options.

However, in this particular case, the EPP's fundamental position is the establishment of an English Parliament. Other issues, such as capital punishment, however important in their own right, are peripheral if you believe that the current political situation does not provide for any issue to be properly disposed of never mind just this one!

In making a peripheral issue or issues the determining factor(s) for joining or coalescing with others, effectively they become predominant, not the core objective.

Your other point about individuals leading other parties can be much more intractable, if you really do not have any confidence in them or their integrity but, again in this case, is this truly so?

mkpdavies · 04-08-2006, 05:07 PM

I have no idea. I have seen many people leave UKIP because of leadership.

I have seen less leave (indeed none personally) on policy alone.

Thus I would bet it was the former, rather than the latter that "drove" them out.

04-08-2006, 08:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,005	England's Parliamentary Party www.eppweb.com - does anyone know the background to this group - were they once UKIP?

04-08-2006, 10:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
gawain Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 268	EPP / interesting name Led by Paul Gilbert, formerly branch chair in the West Midlands, think he went to Vanitas http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/about1601.html See this earlier thread

04-08-2006, 02:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I find it sad that good people, are all trying to fight the same battles on their own. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

04-08-2006, 02:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,942	Just to confirm that England's Parliamentary Party is not registered at the Electoral Commission. They only manage to register E.P.P. There is already an English Parliamentary Party. Yes we have - don't ask :roll: __________________ English or British or European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

04-08-2006, 04:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I agree with that to a degree. Yet, you could say that about us choosing smaller parties, instead of "serious" ones. Where do you draw the line. If you really don't believe in a party, or the people who lead it and you feel you have no chance of chaging it, where do you go from there? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

04-08-2006, 05:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hereward Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: York, ENGLAND Posts: 345	All I can reply is to echo "If that is the case" you limit your options. However, in this particular case, the EPP's fundamental position is the establishment of an English Parliament. Other issues, such as capital punishment, however important in their own right, are peripheral if you believe that the current political situation does not provide for any issue to be properly disposed of never mind just this one! In making a peripheral issue or issues the determining factor(s) for joining or coalescing with others, effectively they become predominant, not the core objective. Your other point about individuals leading other parties can be much more intractable, if you really do not have any confidence in them or their integrity but, again in this case, is this truly so?

04-08-2006, 05:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I have no idea. I have seen many people leave UKIP because of leadership. I have seen less leave (indeed none personally) on policy alone. Thus I would bet it was the former, rather than the latter that "drove" them out. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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