Johnny Hates Jazz

English Democrats have a similiar view to the EU as UKIP, however we would wish for the UK to go back INTO phpbb_EFTA to retain the free trade links, but we don't like to see England shafted politically and financilly by the EU.

English Democrats Party official policy* is that England should remain part of the United Kingdom.

Amazingly you can be an English Nationalist and still agree with the Union, even if it is in a Federal State.

England being part of the Union does not mean being shafted politically and financially by the Celtic Nations.

* Not all English Democrat members agree personally with this policy.

==============================================
So you can see we English Democrats have two missions

1 Exit of the EU - and rejoining EFTA

2 Fairness for England within the UK - both politically and finacially

Maybe it's because we have more women and we are younger then the average age of UKIP members, that we can 'multi-task' where as UKIP seems to be stuck on just the one policy !!!!!!!!!!!!

" We can't consider any other policies until UKIP have suceeded in removing the UK from Europe" - yeh and that's going to take a long time when you have not got any MP's after 3 or is it 4 General Elections ?

Nigel Farage on BBC Radio 4 Any Questions seems to have got the message, he sounded like a proper English Nationalist last week - maybe the penny has dropped !

ED

__________________
English Democrats SAY NO To European Union

English not British not European
- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections

The Last Knight

I am a ED member and I see no problem with England staying within the union - I had no problem with the union until some parts began to get treated better - My view, as I stated before is that whilst we were able to vote for MPs that made laws for all of us and if we did not like what they were doing we could vote them out I did not have a problem - Once you elect MPs that have a say over the rest of the UK but not over you then you could not care less whether they are doing a good job or not it does not effect your life - However the people who's lifes it does effect are not allowed to vote them out - show me the accountabiliy.

The problem is the scots and the welsh will never give up their parliament and assembly and therefore if this is not addressed the English will see this as the British Governments hold over them only without representation that the other enjoy - The more the English will resent the British and the greater the danger to the union - I am distancing myself more and more from the idea of British - I do not want to - I would rather be an equal Englishman within the UK - But everyday Britain is looking more and more like Europe did to me five years ago - a foriegn government enforcing their laws onto me.

__________________
English Parliament Now

Rich C

It's too complicated for me to be bothered to explain in full. But basically, the way it's organised is that people live in voting wards, each of which represents a seat in the house of commons. In a general election you get to vote for who you would like to take that seat on behalf of your ward. Wards are not necessarily equal in population and can be re-drawn by government I beleive.

Now, if you look at the amount of wards which returned candidates to the House of Commons from just England then the Torys won the election. But if you include the candidates returned from Scotland and Wales then Labour won the election on account of the increased number of Labour candidates who won in Scotland and Wales.

Which means that, because England has no parliament, we have to live under direct control of a New Labour UK governement, even though the Tory party won the general election in England, because of the circumstances outlined above. But Scotland and Wales, besides getting the party they voted to be in control of the UK, also have a chance to elect their choice of candidates again to take seats in the their parliament or assembly for Scotland and Wales respectively. England has no such option due to the incomplete devolution process and must now live under the governance of a government that is only in power due to votes in Scotland and Wales for the next four/five years at least.

Given that, I don't understand what the problem is with the creation of an English parliament. You're trying to make the point that you're not a single issue party while at the same time denying the importance of a huge democratic deficit because you feel it would weaken the Union. Not only that, in doing so you're seeing that England continues to be disadvantaged democratically and economically when poll after poll has shown that it is England that is the most EU resistant area of the UK. I don't see the point in winding up your biggest set of supporters in this way cause you feel it strenghthens the Union when at the same time you're denying them the same democratic and economic rights you claim to be fighting for from Brussels.

An English parliament will not simply lead to a disintigration of the Union. And by supporting it UKIP could be winning a hell of a lot more support and doing New Labour a hell of a lot more damage then they are doing by keeping the democratic defict in place on which New Labour relly to keep hold of power in the UK.

smooveOp

True as we speak although I know that some of our Scottish and Welsh friends would say the same about the long years of the Thatcher and Major governments.

The bottom line is whether you believe in the Union, as imperfect as it is, or not.

I'm not ready to give up on it just yet.

Johnny Hates Jazz

True as we speak although I know that some of our Scottish and Welsh friends would say the same about the long years of the Thatcher and Major governments.

This of course is **** as during the Thatcher years we had one parliament for everything in England, Scotland and Wales - ie Britain

before 1909 then all of Ireland had seats in the one country of "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland"

It was not until Southern Ireland declared home rule that Northern Ireland also had it's own assembly - Stormount - indeed the West Lothian quesiton was mentioned for Stormount - all those years ago !

As Northern Ireland has only about 20 MP's then the problem created by Stormont is insignifant compared to the new devolution areas of Scotand and Wales

London is a County Council - can Labour stop calling it a region !

ED

__________________
English Democrats SAY NO To European Union

English not British not European
- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections