English Lion

The reality has dawned on UKIP - the only way devolution can be cancelled is if the Scots and Welsh vote for it - they won't and that is the reality of the situation.

Given that they won't give up their right to manage their own affairs what happens to England? Well, if nothing changes the English will become increasingly resentful and will demand a) their own parliament and b) an end to the Union. Because from where alot of the English are viewing the situation it is the UNIONISTS (not Brussels) who are denying ENgland her voice. Unionism will be the victim and whilst we have a benign positive English nationalism/patriotism managed by the English Democrats - the denial of England's right to her own democracy, her nation hood, her sense of identity and her right to exist as a distinct culture and country in her own right will turn this benign national sentiment INTO phpbb_a more severe and bitter nationalism, a bit like Scottish Nationalism but with the power to do real damage.

Any pragmatic political party and politician can see that the only sensible way forward if to address the justifiable grievances of England. The failure of the Unionist parties to deliver justice to England will damage UKIP as it will damage the Tories, Lib Dems and Labour.

When the English wake up and realise that it is the Unionist parties of this country that have been shafting them royally there will be hell to pay.

Let's look at the facts:

84% Rise in English Council Taxes since 1997 (40% rise in Scotland)
English women dying for the want of Herceptin - available in Scotland
English students this year £3K per annum worse off thanks to Scottish MP's voting to impose top up fees on England whilst denying it for themselves!
37p dinner budget for English schoolchildren £1.00 in Scotland
£1500 per head of population extra expenditure in Scotland under Barnett Formula
No English Mp can vote on Scottish Matters Scottish MPs can vote on English matters


The list goes on and on. To have Alistair Darling pontificating on English Transport when it won't be his constituency that gets flattened by new runways and roads (unless he tarmacs Scotland) is an intolerable situation now that sovereignty is no longer pooled and is devolved.

UKIP leadership is finally allowing the penny to drop.

The only way UKIP will ever get elected is to put themselves forward as a party with English interests at heart. If you prat around trying to console the inconsolable Scots and the Welsh you will get nowhere fast - look how much money the Tories have thrown at Scotland and what for....humilation at the polls.

As the English Democrats have always said, the answer is staring you all in the face and only a party that is prepared to stand up for England stands a cat in hells chance.

Vote yes to an English Parliament while devolution is the favoured option for the nations of the UK. Keep the Union alive don't kill it off by neglecting justice and fairness.

revinkevin

The only fair way is dual mandate MPs.

Part of the time they will site in their own devolved parliaments the remainder in the UK parliament.

England would have to charge rent to the UK government for using the English parliament at westminster for UK business though.

At the same time give county councils more power over local matters, that way people dont feel disinfrancished.

__________________
Kevsoft RISC OS Software
The Blog of Kev

Hereward

This indicates minimal knowledge of how Parliament functions!
Legislation does not appear out of thin air.
This 'fair way' denies opportunity for English bills & regulations to be
drafted & amended etc independently. Both the Scots & the Welsh have
this facility, only the English are denied it (in the whole of the EU too!) by
the parsimonious approach of too many individuals to political
considerations.

Will this unbalanced, unfair attitude to England's interests never cease?

HomeRuleForEngland

Lets have a proper debate and a referendum of the people of England. Judging by the polls held by the BBC and ITV teletext over the weekend, there will be about 80% in favour of an English Parliament.

Rich C

The West Lothian thing has already been brought up but I'm suprised that no-one has mentioned that, as far as England goes, New Labour LOST the last general election to the Tories?

If you just took INTO phpbb_account the votes in England, then it's true... The New Labour party quite clearly lost last year's general election. It's only when you include the largely de-Toried 'Celctic Fringe' votes that Tony Blair's party edges it.

So the English votes for English laws thing falls completely short as it can't even address the issue of the majority of voters in the UK, in England, having to live under a government that technically they didn't vote for and is only there thanks to votes in Scotland and Wales.

smooveOp

Er.. probably if you're an English Nationalist who doesn't believe in the United Kingdom at all.

However, for those of us who remain committed to the Union, it's obvious that the government of the United Kingdom would have to be drawn from all of its constituent parts.

And yes, that does account for the situation that you describe.

BUT - I do agree that the current situation is undemocratic with regard to MP's representing non-English seats who continue to vote on purely English issues.

That is clearly wrong.

Rich C

I don't see how pointing out that millions of people are living under a government that they didn't vote for while the people that did vote for it have parliaments of their own so are less affected means I don't believe in the UK.

vimto

From Wales - quite right we are British. I put that on any and every form. How easily we give up our heritage under New Labour.

A fractured Isle - Blair's true legacy.

smooveOp

I can quite see that you don't...

Can anyone else explain the idea behind our UK Government any better? I don't see what else I could say on the subject.

ryansoton

Would the ED support the break up further of the uk? Would they support the eu in their quest for a federal state?