UKIP should be Britain's answer to Fortune's List

Jerusalem · 10-03-2006, 06:02 PM

I agree that UKIP should aim to become more than a one-issue party. A far bigger issue than Europe is that of immigration and social breakdown, which are linked. What do they intend to do about it?

I believe the majority of British (and certainly English) people share my view that mass Commonwealth immigration in the 50s and 60s was a bad thing for our country, overall. So why is the BNP, a party of nasty, violent neo-Nazis, the only party that will say this? I don't want to live in Hackney, yet according to the prevailing wisdom that makes me an evil person. I don't hate any group, but I can see that the prevailing culture among British-born West Indian has some serious problems, and it's infecting young people all across London.

Most of us in the cities have grown up with Asian and black friends, but even we can see that on one hand the Caribbeanisation of our youth (black and white) INTO phpbb_a world of crime, drugs and illigitimacy is a disaster, and on the other hand 2m Muslims (whatever the figure is) represent a serious threat to our country's future.

I'm not asking for the deportation of 4m British-born people, but there has to be a change in stance to start with, no more apologising and no more kid gloves with radical groups and the anti-racism industry.

Why are the "facts" presented by the BBC-dominated media so different to those seen by most of us outside of White City and Portland Place? Why is that the police are hounded by the McPherson report, yet 3 times as many white men are murdered annually by black men as vice versa?

Why does no one mention that 2% of the population committ over 20% of the crime in every area? Why are we given the choice of accepting this status quo, or voting for Holocaust deniers?

I despair for the Tories and chosing David Cameron, because he's ultimately one of them - he lives in Notting Hill, for God sake. But the hell I'm going to vote for fascists.

Suthers · 11-03-2006, 02:55 PM

Indeed, the only reason why the BNP has such bad press is just that, the press. 99% of BNP supporters are not raving foaming nazis, they are just normal people who have born the brunt of immigration and are justifiably concerned, and the sooner people stop gadding around going, ooohh they are evil nazis so lets not give them a platform or even address the issues they are trying to confront the sooner we will see some real changes being made. So i as you also came to the conclusion, i may not agree with everything the BNP says in its manifesto, that is never the going to happen with any party, but theyre the only ones with the spine to stand up and make the points, so if voting for them means i am a 'fascist', 'natzee' evil person in the opinions of UAF, searchlight, the media, then so be it.

and for those anti-'fascists' who will now say how can you vote for a party that has people with criminal records among its ranks and has racist policys. i say this

1. name me one party which hasnt had people with criminal records of equal or more serious nature than those in the BNP.

2. Id rather be one of the BNP who at least act politely than some rabid anti-fascist scum who only want to shout abuse and immaturely throw flour bombs at people entering courts and spit in womens faces as happened to a bnp candidate who was campaigning in heanor, it was caught on video, disgusting.

3. as to the no platform policy, what are you all so afraid of? Oh wait lets see, maybe we actually do have a valid point as seen when for once nick griffin was debating with jeremy paxman and rinsed him, and also theyre always afraid (e.g. at st.andrewes and cambridge uni's where nick griffin was to debate) that the left wingers will start throwing bricks and rioting. free speech my...

4. As for being racist, find me one part of their manifesto that isnt taken out of context and argue that its racist.

Alex McKee · 11-03-2006, 04:27 PM

I'd love to take you up on that but I'm not going anywhere near the BNP website.

Speaking of which, don't they have a BNP forum you could go to Suthers, old chap?

Hartlepool · 11-03-2006, 08:07 PM

Watch it Alex,Suthers is probably a "minority" person and so,may report you.

:wink:

Suthers · 11-03-2006, 10:18 PM

Ha, nah, im not a bnp member, hence i cant use their forums. my little rant, i wanted to get it off my chest. :roll:

Alex McKee · 11-03-2006, 11:11 PM

Oh I do beg your pardon. I mean, actually being called a BNP member is slander of the highest order, so you have my unconditional apology.

Independence Now! · 13-03-2006, 06:01 AM

An excellent post, Suthers. The BNP - the ONLY party with the courage to deal with ALL the REAL issues and the ONLY party that isn't hamstrung by the constraints of PC like all the other parties and that is the reason why the party is demonised by the liberal-left, biased PC media. :roll:

Biscuitman · 13-03-2006, 09:51 AM

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99% of BNP supporters are not raving foaming nazis, they are just normal people

Normal people..... who just happen to support raving foaming nazis and are willing to vote them INTO phpbb_power for their own ends.

Fleas on the back of the scum of the earth!

10-03-2006, 06:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jerusalem Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: London Posts: 56	UKIP should be Britain's answer to Fortune's List I agree that UKIP should aim to become more than a one-issue party. A far bigger issue than Europe is that of immigration and social breakdown, which are linked. What do they intend to do about it? I believe the majority of British (and certainly English) people share my view that mass Commonwealth immigration in the 50s and 60s was a bad thing for our country, overall. So why is the BNP, a party of nasty, violent neo-Nazis, the only party that will say this? I don't want to live in Hackney, yet according to the prevailing wisdom that makes me an evil person. I don't hate any group, but I can see that the prevailing culture among British-born West Indian has some serious problems, and it's infecting young people all across London. Most of us in the cities have grown up with Asian and black friends, but even we can see that on one hand the Caribbeanisation of our youth (black and white) INTO phpbb_a world of crime, drugs and illigitimacy is a disaster, and on the other hand 2m Muslims (whatever the figure is) represent a serious threat to our country's future. I'm not asking for the deportation of 4m British-born people, but there has to be a change in stance to start with, no more apologising and no more kid gloves with radical groups and the anti-racism industry. Why are the "facts" presented by the BBC-dominated media so different to those seen by most of us outside of White City and Portland Place? Why is that the police are hounded by the McPherson report, yet 3 times as many white men are murdered annually by black men as vice versa? Why does no one mention that 2% of the population committ over 20% of the crime in every area? Why are we given the choice of accepting this status quo, or voting for Holocaust deniers? I despair for the Tories and chosing David Cameron, because he's ultimately one of them - he lives in Notting Hill, for God sake. But the hell I'm going to vote for fascists.

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11-03-2006, 02:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Suthers Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 125	Indeed, the only reason why the BNP has such bad press is just that, the press. 99% of BNP supporters are not raving foaming nazis, they are just normal people who have born the brunt of immigration and are justifiably concerned, and the sooner people stop gadding around going, ooohh they are evil nazis so lets not give them a platform or even address the issues they are trying to confront the sooner we will see some real changes being made. So i as you also came to the conclusion, i may not agree with everything the BNP says in its manifesto, that is never the going to happen with any party, but theyre the only ones with the spine to stand up and make the points, so if voting for them means i am a 'fascist', 'natzee' evil person in the opinions of UAF, searchlight, the media, then so be it. and for those anti-'fascists' who will now say how can you vote for a party that has people with criminal records among its ranks and has racist policys. i say this 1. name me one party which hasnt had people with criminal records of equal or more serious nature than those in the BNP. 2. Id rather be one of the BNP who at least act politely than some rabid anti-fascist scum who only want to shout abuse and immaturely throw flour bombs at people entering courts and spit in womens faces as happened to a bnp candidate who was campaigning in heanor, it was caught on video, disgusting. 3. as to the no platform policy, what are you all so afraid of? Oh wait lets see, maybe we actually do have a valid point as seen when for once nick griffin was debating with jeremy paxman and rinsed him, and also theyre always afraid (e.g. at st.andrewes and cambridge uni's where nick griffin was to debate) that the left wingers will start throwing bricks and rioting. free speech my... 4. As for being racist, find me one part of their manifesto that isnt taken out of context and argue that its racist.

11-03-2006, 04:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	I'd love to take you up on that but I'm not going anywhere near the BNP website. Speaking of which, don't they have a BNP forum you could go to Suthers, old chap?

11-03-2006, 08:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,785 Party: Free England Party	Watch it Alex,Suthers is probably a "minority" person and so,may report you. :wink:

11-03-2006, 10:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Suthers Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 125	Ha, nah, im not a bnp member, hence i cant use their forums. my little rant, i wanted to get it off my chest. :roll:

11-03-2006, 11:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Oh I do beg your pardon. I mean, actually being called a BNP member is slander of the highest order, so you have my unconditional apology.

13-03-2006, 06:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	An excellent post, Suthers. The BNP - the ONLY party with the courage to deal with ALL the REAL issues and the ONLY party that isn't hamstrung by the constraints of PC like all the other parties and that is the reason why the party is demonised by the liberal-left, biased PC media. :roll: