New Labour Bribe Celts with more English Money

Johnny Hates Jazz · 10-03-2006, 03:48 PM

New Labour Bribe Celts with English Money

On the figures given in the article it appears that that by 2008 England will be giving Wales some seven or eight billion pounds - £13.6bn paid by the TReasury to Wales with probably no more than £5 or 6 billion pounds being raised in Wales by way of tax. Not only that but much of the tax take in Wales will be simply an accounting measure because much of the receipts will be from public service employees, ie, the money they receive is taxpayer's money and any direct deducted is simply recycling that already taken from the taxpayer.

This scenario is replicated in Northern Ireland with knobs on and even in Scotland the oil tax revenues are dwarfed by the £7-8bn a year extra the Scots get from the Treasury because the per capita Treasury payments to the Scots are far higher than those to the English. In addition, England gets a much lower share of public fiunding per capita than the Celtic Fringe.England is subsidising the Celts to the tune of £20-30 bn per annum.

No mainstream British party is attacking this disgraceful mulucting of the English because they either gain electorally from it (Labour and the
LIbDems) or pathetically continue to be a UK party (the Tories).

Only an English Parliament can address this scandal because only an English parliament would not have a vested interest in ignoring it.

Sunday Telegraph

Welsh dragon is fired up at the expense of the English taxpayer By Robert Watts (Filed: 05/03/2006)

China is not the world's only dragon economy experiencing a buoyant 2006.
The Welsh economy is set grow faster than both England and the UK as a whole during the first half of this year, helped by a public spending boom funded by English taxpayers.
The Bank of Scotland's Welsh Leading Indicator says that strong consumer spending, a sturdy labour market and increasing business optimism, will power the Welsh economy to growth of up to 2.7 per cent between January and June this year; compared with a trend growth rate of
2.2 per cent.
"Wales' economy is growing faster than the English or the UK average,"
Tim Crawford, group economist at BoS told the Sunday Telegraph. "Over the rest of the year we expect growth will remain strong, although getting slightly weaker as the year progresses."
Meanwhile, most independent forecasters believe the UK economy is growing at a significantly slower rate. HSBC, Lehman Brothers, Schroders and Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein, all believe the UK's economy will grow by a weak 1.8 per cent or less during this year.
Consumer confidence in Wales rose by 13 points in the January edition of the GfK NOP consumer sentiment survey to record its highest rating for 10 months.
There has also been a pick-up in employment prospects in Wales. Bank of Scotland says job advertising at the end of last year was 25 per cent higher than at the same time in the previous year.
Furthermore, the bank cites a recent CBI survey which said nearly 70 per cent of Welsh businesses are optimistic that demand will increase over the coming months, compared with 38 per cent a year ago.
However, sceptics remain concerned by the growing dependence of the Welsh economy on public sector spending. In the last comprehensive spending review, the chancellor allocated the Principality another £2.5bn, taking public spending there to £13.6bn by 2008.
According to a recent Parliamentary answer by Des Browne, chief secretary to the Treasury, Wales paid only £4.7bn in tax in the latest year for which figures are available.
On St David's day last week the Queen opened the new Welsh assembly building in Cardiff Bay, which cost £65.8m to build.
Treasury data also shows that in 2004 55 per cent of economic activity in Wales is by the public sector, compared to 47 per cent in 1998. In England, the figure 37 per cent and in Scotland 48 per cent.
Professor James Foreman-Peck of Cardiff Business School, said: "It's
amazing: just about everyone I seem to bump INTO phpbb_at conferences here works in the public sector. It's very kind of British taxpayers to spend all this money in our country."
Foreham-Peck compared Cardiff's docklands development unfavourably with London's. "Cardiff's is home to also sorts of public institutions - by contrast the Canary Wharf area is a hub of wealth creation," h

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Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/ Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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Note: This report "Welsh Dragon is fired up at the expense of the English taxpayer " (5 March) shows why the English desperately need their own parliament.

John Page · 10-03-2006, 06:02 PM

Why do you keep starting new threads - there's a perfectly good one going already.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 14-03-2006, 03:03 PM

Sorry John, was not too sure where to put this one.

But I think it is important that we are all aware what Labour is doing

ie Bribing the Scots and Welsh to keep power in the UK as a whole

Cheers

ED

10-03-2006, 03:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	New Labour Bribe Celts with more English Money New Labour Bribe Celts with English Money On the figures given in the article it appears that that by 2008 England will be giving Wales some seven or eight billion pounds - £13.6bn paid by the TReasury to Wales with probably no more than £5 or 6 billion pounds being raised in Wales by way of tax. Not only that but much of the tax take in Wales will be simply an accounting measure because much of the receipts will be from public service employees, ie, the money they receive is taxpayer's money and any direct deducted is simply recycling that already taken from the taxpayer. This scenario is replicated in Northern Ireland with knobs on and even in Scotland the oil tax revenues are dwarfed by the £7-8bn a year extra the Scots get from the Treasury because the per capita Treasury payments to the Scots are far higher than those to the English. In addition, England gets a much lower share of public fiunding per capita than the Celtic Fringe.England is subsidising the Celts to the tune of £20-30 bn per annum. No mainstream British party is attacking this disgraceful mulucting of the English because they either gain electorally from it (Labour and the LIbDems) or pathetically continue to be a UK party (the Tories). Only an English Parliament can address this scandal because only an English parliament would not have a vested interest in ignoring it. Sunday Telegraph Welsh dragon is fired up at the expense of the English taxpayer By Robert Watts (Filed: 05/03/2006) China is not the world's only dragon economy experiencing a buoyant 2006. The Welsh economy is set grow faster than both England and the UK as a whole during the first half of this year, helped by a public spending boom funded by English taxpayers. The Bank of Scotland's Welsh Leading Indicator says that strong consumer spending, a sturdy labour market and increasing business optimism, will power the Welsh economy to growth of up to 2.7 per cent between January and June this year; compared with a trend growth rate of 2.2 per cent. "Wales' economy is growing faster than the English or the UK average," Tim Crawford, group economist at BoS told the Sunday Telegraph. "Over the rest of the year we expect growth will remain strong, although getting slightly weaker as the year progresses." Meanwhile, most independent forecasters believe the UK economy is growing at a significantly slower rate. HSBC, Lehman Brothers, Schroders and Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein, all believe the UK's economy will grow by a weak 1.8 per cent or less during this year. Consumer confidence in Wales rose by 13 points in the January edition of the GfK NOP consumer sentiment survey to record its highest rating for 10 months. There has also been a pick-up in employment prospects in Wales. Bank of Scotland says job advertising at the end of last year was 25 per cent higher than at the same time in the previous year. Furthermore, the bank cites a recent CBI survey which said nearly 70 per cent of Welsh businesses are optimistic that demand will increase over the coming months, compared with 38 per cent a year ago. However, sceptics remain concerned by the growing dependence of the Welsh economy on public sector spending. In the last comprehensive spending review, the chancellor allocated the Principality another £2.5bn, taking public spending there to £13.6bn by 2008. According to a recent Parliamentary answer by Des Browne, chief secretary to the Treasury, Wales paid only £4.7bn in tax in the latest year for which figures are available. On St David's day last week the Queen opened the new Welsh assembly building in Cardiff Bay, which cost £65.8m to build. Treasury data also shows that in 2004 55 per cent of economic activity in Wales is by the public sector, compared to 47 per cent in 1998. In England, the figure 37 per cent and in Scotland 48 per cent. Professor James Foreman-Peck of Cardiff Business School, said: "It's amazing: just about everyone I seem to bump INTO phpbb_at conferences here works in the public sector. It's very kind of British taxpayers to spend all this money in our country." Foreham-Peck compared Cardiff's docklands development unfavourably with London's. "Cardiff's is home to also sorts of public institutions - by contrast the Canary Wharf area is a hub of wealth creation," h -- Robert Henderson Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/ Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk ========================================= Note: This report "Welsh Dragon is fired up at the expense of the English taxpayer " (5 March) shows why the English desperately need their own parliament. __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

14-03-2006, 03:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Sorry John, was not too sure where to put this one. But I think it is important that we are all aware what Labour is doing ie Bribing the Scots and Welsh to keep power in the UK as a whole Cheers ED __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

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10-03-2006, 06:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
John Page Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Welwyn Hatfield (Herts.) Posts: 1,878	Why do you keep starting new threads - there's a perfectly good one going already.