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chikrodah · 07-03-2006, 10:54 AM

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Date: March 07, 2006 Time: 10:15

NEW MIGRATION SYSTEM TO DECIDE WHO WORKS IN THE UK

NEW MIGRATION SYSTEM TO DECIDE WHO WORKS IN THE UK

A new points based system to enable the UK to control migration more effectively, tackle abuse and identify the most talented workers was launched by the Home Secretary today.

Unveiling the Government's Command Paper on the points-based system for managed migration, the Home Secretary called on industry and education sectors to play their role in making migration work for Britain, and reminded them that they had a responsibility to help make the new scheme a success.

The points based system is a central part of the Government's five year strategy for asylum and immigration, which was published in February 2005, and is committed to a wide-ranging plan: to ensure that only those who benefit Britain can come here to work or study; to strengthen the UK's borders; to crack down on abuse and illegal immigration; and increase removals. Its implementation is a key Government priority.

The scheme will be complemented with a tougher approach from our own British embassies abroad to weed out false applications and will place increased obligations on UK businesses and universities who will now be required to sponsor migrants and help to ensure that those they sponsor adhere to the terms of their visa.

Key elements of the system include:

* consolidating more than 80 existing work and study routes INTO phpbb_five tiers:
tier 1 - highly skilled, e.g. scientists or entrepreneurs; tier 2 - skilled workers with a job offer, e.g. nurses, teachers, engineers;
tier 3 - low skilled workers filling specific temporary labour shortages, e.g. construction workers for a particular project tier 4 - students; and
tier 5 - youth mobility and temporary workers, e.g. working holiday makers or musicians coming to play a concert.

* points to be awarded to reflect aptitude, experience, age and also the level of need in any given sector, to allow the UK to respond flexibly to changes in the labour market;

* the establishment of a Skills Advisory Body to identify these shortages;

* consolidating entry clearance and work permit applications INTO phpbb_one transparent single-stage application;

* a system of sponsorship by employers and educational institutions to ensure compliance;

* financial securities for specific categories where there has been evidence of abuse to ensure that migrants return home at the end of their stay; and

* the ending of employment routes to the UK for low-skilled workers from outside the EU except in cases of short-term shortages.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke said:

"Managed migration is in the interest of the UK. Today's announcement sets out the Government's policy to deliver a firm but fair, simpler, more transparent and more rigorous system, which will benefit our economy and protect our borders.

"Crucially, it will allow us to ensure that only those people with the skills the UK needs come to this country while preventing those without these skills applying. Foreign workers or students will also in future need a UK sponsor to vouch for them, ensuring that businesses and colleges take responsibility for making sure foreign workers and students comply with visa rules.

"This new scheme fits alongside other activity being undertaking to tighten up our immigration procedures. We are implementing new technology through the e-borders programme to record simply and effectively details of passengers intending to enter or leave the UK before they begin their journey, and by the end of 2006 we will begin to require individuals applying for visas to be fingerprinted."

Proposals for a points-based system for managed migration are a key element of the Home Office's five year strategy for asylum and immigration 'Controlling our borders: making migration work for Britain' published in February 2005. The Government undertook an extensive consultation on the proposals between July and November 2005.

The system aims to ensure that only those migrants who benefit the UK - for example the highly-skilled such as surgeons or scientists or those who are coming to fill gaps in the labour market that cannot be met from the domestic workforce such as teachers and nurses, can come to work or study, while introducing new measures to ensure that migrants comply with their leave to remain and go home at the end of their stay.

The UK will benefit from increased economic and international competitiveness and cultural exchange.

Also included in today's announcement are decisions by:

* the Department of Health to end the existing immigration routes for postgraduate doctors and dentists, except for those people who have studied for their degrees in the UK. This reflects the flexibility of our managed migration systems to ensure we meet the needs of the UK labour market; and

* the Home Office to end existing low-skilled work routes including the Sectors Based Scheme and the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, again reflecting the fact that labour from the new EU Member States is now filling many vacancies in these areas.

Mr Clarke said:

"The publication of the Government's policy on managed migration is a step in a process to overhauling the UK's immigration system for workers and students. That work is ongoing and will not take effect overnight. A constructive dialogue has already been established between industry and Government, which will continue as the system is put in place."

Notes to Editors:

1. The Command Paper 'A points-based system: making migration work for Britain' can be found at on the Home Office website at www.homeoffice.gov.uk

2. A paper entitled 'Employers' use of migrant labour', was published today on the Home Office website.

3. Also issued today was a Written Ministerial Statement by the Home Secretary.

eublues · 07-03-2006, 11:49 AM

This is going to be ever so helpful to British people (not least school/university leavers) as the unemployment figures continue to rise, I don't think.

Of course, the flood from the expanded EU continues without any check.

UKIP had a sound position on immigration at the last general election, and we can show that we are consistent.

Smidgey · 07-03-2006, 04:38 PM

I'm very happy about this. Did anyone know that 40,000 Poles work in the UK and only 15 of them are on benefits? They provide so much for our economy. Besides, Scotland needs immigrants and UKIP keeps attacking Scottish parties which are in favour of immigration. Recently the Scottish UKIP representative wrote INTO phpbb_the opinions page in the Scotsman newspaper and claimed that the SNP were o nthe sidelines of Scottish politics. Funny that a party with no seats can say that two the opposition party...

Thats my rant, had to get it off my chest.

David Holland · 07-03-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

I'm very happy about this. Did anyone know that 40,000 Poles work in the UK and only 15 of them are on benefits? They provide so much for our economy.

That is because they are not allowed to get benefits :-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3514199.stm

It is partly because of pressure from UKIP that these rules were introduced.
Sadly other immigrants are allowed to get immigrants, in some cases from Spain that I know - within days of getting of the plane.

Anthony Butcher · 07-03-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

I'm very happy about this. Did anyone know that 40,000 Poles work in the UK and only 15 of them are on benefits? They provide so much for our economy. Besides, Scotland needs immigrants and UKIP keeps attacking Scottish parties which are in favour of immigration. Recently the Scottish UKIP representative wrote INTO phpbb_the opinions page in the Scotsman newspaper and claimed that the SNP were o nthe sidelines of Scottish politics. Funny that a party with no seats can say that two the opposition party...

Thats my rant, had to get it off my chest.

UKIP isn't against immigration at all. In fact, we are absolutely in favour of it. We just believe that it needs to be controlled and limited in order to limit the impact on population growth, public services, the environment, housing prices, British jobs etc.

B.A.Ware · 07-03-2006, 06:23 PM

Ukip is not against immigration we are for fair immigration that will help our country and do not see why there should be one law for Europeans and another for the rest of the world.

You could say this is a racist policy as people from outside of the EU are being discriminated against.

BASILDON BOY · 07-03-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

I'm very happy about this. Did anyone know that 40,000 Poles work in the UK and only 15 of them are on benefits? They provide so much for our economy. Besides, Scotland needs immigrants and UKIP keeps attacking Scottish parties which are in favour of immigration. Recently the Scottish UKIP representative wrote INTO phpbb_the opinions page in the Scotsman newspaper and claimed that the SNP were o nthe sidelines of Scottish politics. Funny that a party with no seats can say that two the opposition party...

Thats my rant, had to get it off my chest.

Where I work in London there must be 2,000 Poles on benefit!

The figures from the Government of '7Poles on Benefit' means those on Job Seekers Allowance. What the Government did not mention is that a new East European Acession Country immigrant can work for 1 hour per week and claim - Child Benefit, Child Tax Credit, Full Housing Benefit to pay their rent and full Council Tax Benefit. There are many self employed Poles who work for 1 hour per week and have everything paid for.

Many of the Poles that do work receive the minimum wage only - this has casued many building sites to replace the much more expensive 'native' builders, electricians, plumbers etc and replace them with cheap Polish labour.

The Government are happy because its keeping wages down - and thus keeping inflation down.

Employers are happy as smaller wage bill and greater profits.

Who loses by paying more in social security benefits to those who can no longer work? And paying more taxes to pay child benefit, tax credits, housing benefit and council tax benefit to those poorly paid Poles? Us taxpayers of course!

eublues · 07-03-2006, 09:32 PM

We already have about 1.5 million offically unemployed and about 2.7 million on incapacity benefit (of whom even on this government's admission most could be working), so what benefit is 350,000 new immigrants from Eastern Europe in just 18 months?

As has been said these people are claiming benefits. and we can expect them to bring over more dependents as soon as they've got it sussed. I have much respect for Poles, but whether they can live here should be a matter for us all, not just the nanny-employing classes that run this traitorous government in cahoots with Brussels.

Our position on immigration should be like that of any sensible independent nation (as say the USA, Australia, NZ etc.). Don't forget we have the second highest population density in Europe. Holland is top, but the population density of the SE of England is 3x that of Holland. We have 12x the population density of the USA by the way.

David Holland · 07-03-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BASILDON BOY

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

I'm very happy about this. Did anyone know that 40,000 Poles work in the UK and only 15 of them are on benefits? They provide so much for our economy. Besides, Scotland needs immigrants and UKIP keeps attacking Scottish parties which are in favour of immigration. Recently the Scottish UKIP representative wrote INTO phpbb_the opinions page in the Scotsman newspaper and claimed that the SNP were o nthe sidelines of Scottish politics. Funny that a party with no seats can say that two the opposition party...

Thats my rant, had to get it off my chest.

I work dealing with social security benefits - in the area I live and work in there are at least 2,000 Poles on benefit!

The figures from the Government of '7Poles on Benefit' means those on Job Seekers Allowance. What the Government did not mention is that a new East European Acession Country immigrant can work for 1 hour per week and claim - Child Benefit, Child Tax Credit, Full Housing Benefit to pay their rent and full Council Tax Benefit. There are many self employed Poles who work for 1 hour per week and have everything paid for.

Can you prove this ? I don't disbelieve you, but I always like to question everything. A trait that should be encouraged - it encouraged me to be anti the EU.

brian pearson · 07-03-2006, 09:58 PM

I have questioned the net cost of a working immigrant before and most agree that taking INTO phpbb_consideration housing, NHS etc it will cost the country more than the net gain.

Now we are to cherry pick the best. This government will try anything to sell us the immigration argument. Fact is we have plenty of potential labour in this country. At the moment though a life on benefit is more appealing.

How the hell can we not train enough doctors for instance ? Don't students have to fight for med school places anymore. Or is the media studies course more enticing.

After spending billions on fresh start and umpteen training initiatives, we it seems still need to import foriegn labour.

Absolute B******s

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07-03-2006, 11:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,100	This is going to be ever so helpful to British people (not least school/university leavers) as the unemployment figures continue to rise, I don't think. Of course, the flood from the expanded EU continues without any check. UKIP had a sound position on immigration at the last general election, and we can show that we are consistent.

07-03-2006, 04:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,195 Party: Libertarian Party	I'm very happy about this. Did anyone know that 40,000 Poles work in the UK and only 15 of them are on benefits? They provide so much for our economy. Besides, Scotland needs immigrants and UKIP keeps attacking Scottish parties which are in favour of immigration. Recently the Scottish UKIP representative wrote INTO phpbb_the opinions page in the Scotsman newspaper and claimed that the SNP were o nthe sidelines of Scottish politics. Funny that a party with no seats can say that two the opposition party... Thats my rant, had to get it off my chest.

07-03-2006, 06:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,492 Party: UKIP	Ukip is not against immigration we are for fair immigration that will help our country and do not see why there should be one law for Europeans and another for the rest of the world. You could say this is a racist policy as people from outside of the EU are being discriminated against.

07-03-2006, 09:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,100	We already have about 1.5 million offically unemployed and about 2.7 million on incapacity benefit (of whom even on this government's admission most could be working), so what benefit is 350,000 new immigrants from Eastern Europe in just 18 months? As has been said these people are claiming benefits. and we can expect them to bring over more dependents as soon as they've got it sussed. I have much respect for Poles, but whether they can live here should be a matter for us all, not just the nanny-employing classes that run this traitorous government in cahoots with Brussels. Our position on immigration should be like that of any sensible independent nation (as say the USA, Australia, NZ etc.). Don't forget we have the second highest population density in Europe. Holland is top, but the population density of the SE of England is 3x that of Holland. We have 12x the population density of the USA by the way.

07-03-2006, 09:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
brian pearson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: nottinghanshire Posts: 744	I have questioned the net cost of a working immigrant before and most agree that taking INTO phpbb_consideration housing, NHS etc it will cost the country more than the net gain. Now we are to cherry pick the best. This government will try anything to sell us the immigration argument. Fact is we have plenty of potential labour in this country. At the moment though a life on benefit is more appealing. How the hell can we not train enough doctors for instance ? Don't students have to fight for med school places anymore. Or is the media studies course more enticing. After spending billions on fresh start and umpteen training initiatives, we it seems still need to import foriegn labour. Absolute B******s