Oaten resigns in rent boy scandal

Mikeuk · 22-01-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swivel Eyed Fanatic

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No doubt there would be a stunned silence in whatever yuppie wine bar you presumably frequent.

Been quite a while since i was in a wine bar......and I'm not a PC Fanatic I'm a Swivel Eyed Fanatic......

....... but when you start on the road where people are "sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives." then where do you stop....? and where exactly do you remove these people to? The Gas Chamber?

Well I suppose he would like us to go back to the not-so-very-old days when discovery of such conduct meant instant dismissal from any position of responsibility.

It was certainly the case in Britain in the 1950s and 1960s. Why should a traditional view of the issue automatically brand one a Nazi?

Was this not your father's view of homosexuals? If not I'll bet it was that of your grandfather.

Tom Wilde · 22-01-2006, 03:37 PM

I suspect it was the "sought out and removed" bit which gave SEF the heebie-jeebies.

It is true that in the past the discovery of such behaviour would lead to instant dismissal and (in some cases) prosecution. While I think that was wrong, I don't think we can call that a Nazi position as (just as MikeUK says) it was the traditional view in Britain up to the 1950s or so. However, I suspect that an awfully large number of blind eyes were turned to such behaviour if it wasn't too blatant, and that there was rarely much active effort to seek out and expose homosexuals. That is what distinguishes traditional attitudes in Britain from the approach of "sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives."

mkpdavies · 22-01-2006, 07:58 PM

Little Britain have been doing this sketch for sometime. I wonder if Oaten would make a guest appearance.

Couldn't care less if he is gay.
I couldn't care less if he paid for sex (he is ugly enough).

I do care about him cheating on his wife and subjecting his kids to horrendus bullying now. He was right to resign!

C_steam · 22-01-2006, 08:15 PM

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Why is he referred to as a "rent boy" and not a male prostitute?

Anthony - methinks you are thinking of the financial connotation of the word 'rent'.

Wrong!

Mikeuk · 22-01-2006, 08:26 PM

I actually feel a little sorry for Oaten, though he was obviously right to go.

So he was a hypocrite; but as La Rochefoucauld observes, 'Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue'. If we must have Gay/Bi politicians (and we always have had them) I prefer them to stay firmly in the closet.

Meanwhile the News of the World, packed every week with every species of filth, rubs its hands in pharisaical glee.

IceDragon · 22-01-2006, 09:16 PM

there must be plenty and I mean plenty of information which the media will not or dare not print about New Labour and the government, look at the Ore scandal for instance, in any other country it would be called favouritism and blatant nepotism.

extra ordinary · 22-01-2006, 10:15 PM

:arrow: To go for public office one must at least aim to have high moral fibre.

Do we choose to remove -paid for gay sex- from the no can do list ?
Myself I do not remove it -if it is happening now.
I think Mr Oaten can be forgiven for it -if it was years back.
what may trouble the public more is when we hide a terrible past and also if public safety and national security can be at jeopardy from blackmail - a real possiblity.

the news of the world says to us just how much power our media has.

Swivel Eyed Fanatic · 22-01-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

I suspect it was the "sought out and removed" bit which gave SEF the heebie-jeebies."

100% right

Anthony Butcher · 22-01-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by extra ordinary

Do we choose to remove -paid for gay sex- from the no can do list ?
Myself I do not remove it -if it is happening now.
I think Mr Oaten can be forgiven for it -if it was years back.

I don't care what he does in his private life, it is none of my business... except where it reveals what I consider to be character flaws that make him entirely unsuitable for the job he was elected to.

Would he be voted back in if a by-election is called now? Would the Lib Dems even have included him as a candidate in the last election if they had known about his affair?

I assume that every candidate has to sign a declaration, as they do in UKIP now, stating that there is nothing hidden that could embarrass the party. Well, now we know that Mark Oaten lied to the selection panel. He wilfully set his own party up for an embarrassment.

Just like Ashley Mote did for UKIP.

Mikeuk · 23-01-2006, 12:15 AM

Yes but of course nobody is going to willingly confess to a secret affair, gay or straight.

He broke the 11th commandment and got found out. It's harsh but simple.

The Winchester constituency boundary is only 4 or 5 miles from where I am sitting and I have heard many good reports of Oaten. By all accounts he is an outstanding constituency MP.

If I were on the LibDem executive there I think, on balance, I might allow him another chance to fight the seat, but it has to be borderline.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,829 Party: Libertarian Party	Little Britain have been doing this sketch for sometime. I wonder if Oaten would make a guest appearance. Couldn't care less if he is gay. I couldn't care less if he paid for sex (he is ugly enough). I do care about him cheating on his wife and subjecting his kids to horrendus bullying now. He was right to resign! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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22-01-2006, 03:37 PM	#32 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,887	I suspect it was the "sought out and removed" bit which gave SEF the heebie-jeebies. It is true that in the past the discovery of such behaviour would lead to instant dismissal and (in some cases) prosecution. While I think that was wrong, I don't think we can call that a Nazi position as (just as MikeUK says) it was the traditional view in Britain up to the 1950s or so. However, I suspect that an awfully large number of blind eyes were turned to such behaviour if it wasn't too blatant, and that there was rarely much active effort to seek out and expose homosexuals. That is what distinguishes traditional attitudes in Britain from the approach of "sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives."

22-01-2006, 08:26 PM	#35 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,737 Party: Conservatives	I actually feel a little sorry for Oaten, though he was obviously right to go. So he was a hypocrite; but as La Rochefoucauld observes, 'Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue'. If we must have Gay/Bi politicians (and we always have had them) I prefer them to stay firmly in the closet. Meanwhile the News of the World, packed every week with every species of filth, rubs its hands in pharisaical glee.

22-01-2006, 09:16 PM	#36 (permalink)
IceDragon Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,048	there must be plenty and I mean plenty of information which the media will not or dare not print about New Labour and the government, look at the Ore scandal for instance, in any other country it would be called favouritism and blatant nepotism.

22-01-2006, 10:15 PM	#37 (permalink)
extra ordinary Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: south east Posts: 196	:arrow: To go for public office one must at least aim to have high moral fibre. Do we choose to remove -paid for gay sex- from the no can do list ? Myself I do not remove it -if it is happening now. I think Mr Oaten can be forgiven for it -if it was years back. what may trouble the public more is when we hide a terrible past and also if public safety and national security can be at jeopardy from blackmail - a real possiblity. the news of the world says to us just how much power our media has.

23-01-2006, 12:15 AM	#40 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,737 Party: Conservatives	Yes but of course nobody is going to willingly confess to a secret affair, gay or straight. He broke the 11th commandment and got found out. It's harsh but simple. The Winchester constituency boundary is only 4 or 5 miles from where I am sitting and I have heard many good reports of Oaten. By all accounts he is an outstanding constituency MP. If I were on the LibDem executive there I think, on balance, I might allow him another chance to fight the seat, but it has to be borderline.