Oaten resigns in rent boy scandal

SGK · 22-01-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Wahoo

It has been a big danger to the country in the past when gays are MP or something like that.

On what basis? What utter nonsense. Perhaps many who say that gays are okay have gay friends or family members. Have you considered that?

For me the reason that makes this a resigning matter is not the question of homosexuality or prostitution. It is the matter of deceit. Yes, promiscuity is accepted within our society, not always completely and not by everyone, but unfaithfulness isn't because it involves lies, deceit, selfishness, contempt for someone who has trust in you and causing pain to that person. The act itself is a private matter between him and his wife.
An MP, who is placed in a position of trust and responsibility, cannot show a wanton disregard for these principles and expect to be trusted by the electorate in other matters. To avoid having to resign, he must apologise to the electorate for displaying such attitudes and convince them he is not untrustworthy. I'm not sure how, or how he can measure that he has.
The rest is distraction.

Mikeuk · 22-01-2006, 10:16 AM

Sounds like Oaten should have been their Homo Affairs Spokesman

But seriously, doesn’t this tell us why the press have spent the past few weeks building up this uncharismatic little nobody INTO phpbb_the supposed star candidate, simply in order to create the scandal of all scandals if he just happened to be elected leader?

What a pity he shot their fox by pulling out last week.

Mikeuk · 22-01-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Swivel Eyed Fanatic

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

he, and all of those of the same ilk must be sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives.

Nothing less than this will do.

If I thought for one moment that this was UKIP Policy, I would resign immediately... I really hope you are trying to put over some bad taste joke because if you are serious then I do not know if I could remain in a party that has views like yours...

I agree that he should have resigned, in the same way as I would expect a heterosexual MP should resign if he (or she) was discovered to be having sex with prostitutes, but to suggest homosexuals should be "sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives" makes you an intolerant bigot, the worst type of redneck and a throw back to the bad old days.......hang your head in shame and retract your statement immediately.....

It's not UKIP policy; it's his opinion. Are you another of those PC guys who wants to shut up anybody who doesn't agree with you?

He could say exactly the same about you couldn't he?

As a matter of fact I don't agree with him, and actually a couple of my 'best friends' really are gay, but that doesn't stop me joining in the laughter down the pub when someone makes a crack about 'arsebandits'

No doubt there would be a stunned silence in whatever yuppie wine bar you presumably frequent.

Anthony Butcher · 22-01-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

What I want to know is 'what has Oaten done that makes him unfit to be a LibDem spokesman?'

He has apparently lied and cheated on his family. That makes him a fundamentally dishonest person, if this is as it appear on the surface. I really wouldn't want to judge him on this on a personal level because everyone has their own problems and judgements to make. Although I will admit that affairs bother me, even in soaps!

However, for a figure in a high profile elected position, this is unacceptable to me for three reasons:

1. If he will lie to his wife and kids, he will have no problem lying to me and the rest of the public.
2. He put his own selfish needs above those of his children. That worries me. It shows a lack of personal willpower and character.
3. It is exceptionally poor judgement. If he is willing to gamble his career and marriage, then I don't want him in charge of anything important in Britain.

I would say the same for anyone who is having or has had an affair. What they do in their personal lives is entirely up to them, but if they are seeking high office, then it is very different.

kernow · 22-01-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BASILDON BOY

So kernow should we have a witch hunt and expel gay lesbian and bisexual UKIP members?

Perhaps we should make that a question on UKIP membership forms?

My! what a good idea! You are clever

Mikeuk · 22-01-2006, 11:02 AM

The Oaten scandal, following a press build up, seems to mirror the press's favourable treatment of Cameron.

I and others have wondered whether the press built Shameron up from nothing in order to unleash the "scandal of all scandals" at the optimum moment (for the press, that is).

I suspect the press pushed ahead thinking it would be a doddle to get the hard drugs goods on Shameron (I was phoned by a journalist from a tabloid asking for info and spent some time vainly trying to oblige) but it seems that the 'Eton Mafia' proved more impenetrable than they had anticipated.

A Tory PPC I phoned who hates Cameron but has nothing 'on' him said to me 'One of the problems is that Cameron came late to the party and has no roots in it. If he'd been in the YCs or FCS someone, somewhere, would know what he's been up to and would be onto the press already'.

vimto · 22-01-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Swivel Eyed Fanatic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartlepool

he, and all of those of the same ilk must be sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives.

Nothing less than this will do.

If I thought for one moment that this was UKIP Policy, I would resign immediately... I really hope you are trying to put over some bad taste joke because if you are serious then I do not know if I could remain in a party that has views like yours...

I agree that he should have resigned, in the same way as I would expect a heterosexual MP should resign if he (or she) was discovered to be having sex with prostitutes, but to suggest homosexuals should be "sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives" makes you an intolerant bigot, the worst type of redneck and a throw back to the bad old days.......hang your head in shame and retract your statement immediately.....

Yes - the issue is not even homosexuality or paying for sex.

It is adultary.

warm regards.

johnwest · 22-01-2006, 12:46 PM

I will not be weeping for him. However, I do feel sorry for his wife and kids. It's bad enough to cheat on your wife with another woman but to do it with a rentboy must make it even worse for her. The man is a liar and a pervert and should do the decent thing and resign his seat.

Swivel Eyed Fanatic · 22-01-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

No doubt there would be a stunned silence in whatever yuppie wine bar you presumably frequent.

Been quite a while since i was in a wine bar......and I'm not a PC Fanatic I'm a Swivel Eyed Fanatic......

....... but when you start on the road where people are "sought out and removed from every level of our society and lives." then where do you stop....? and where exactly do you remove these people to? The Gas Chamber?

Anthony Butcher · 22-01-2006, 02:08 PM

Why is he referred to as a "rent boy" and not a male prostitute?

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22-01-2006, 10:16 AM	#22 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,521	Sounds like Oaten should have been their Homo Affairs Spokesman But seriously, doesn’t this tell us why the press have spent the past few weeks building up this uncharismatic little nobody INTO phpbb_the supposed star candidate, simply in order to create the scandal of all scandals if he just happened to be elected leader? What a pity he shot their fox by pulling out last week.

22-01-2006, 11:02 AM	#26 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,521	The Oaten scandal, following a press build up, seems to mirror the press's favourable treatment of Cameron. I and others have wondered whether the press built Shameron up from nothing in order to unleash the "scandal of all scandals" at the optimum moment (for the press, that is). I suspect the press pushed ahead thinking it would be a doddle to get the hard drugs goods on Shameron (I was phoned by a journalist from a tabloid asking for info and spent some time vainly trying to oblige) but it seems that the 'Eton Mafia' proved more impenetrable than they had anticipated. A Tory PPC I phoned who hates Cameron but has nothing 'on' him said to me 'One of the problems is that Cameron came late to the party and has no roots in it. If he'd been in the YCs or FCS someone, somewhere, would know what he's been up to and would be onto the press already'.

22-01-2006, 12:46 PM	#28 (permalink)
johnwest Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Suffolk Posts: 827 Party: UKIP	I will not be weeping for him. However, I do feel sorry for his wife and kids. It's bad enough to cheat on your wife with another woman but to do it with a rentboy must make it even worse for her. The man is a liar and a pervert and should do the decent thing and resign his seat.

22-01-2006, 02:08 PM	#30 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,731 Party: None	Why is he referred to as a "rent boy" and not a male prostitute?