Human Rights

White knight · 11-01-2006, 08:44 PM

All in SW

Oh! boy - this is going to be fun!! Just be careful that what you say in a letter may bring PC Plod around to feel your collar!!

John Kelly

UK Hindus demand traditional pyres
IANS
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 22:41 IST

LONDON: The Anglo-Asian Friendship Society based in Gosforth, London plans to
petition the Newcastle City Council and the European Court of Human Rights to
ensure that dead bodies of Hindus and Sikhs are cremated on traditional funeral
pyres instead of in electric crematoriums.

Britain has a large minority of Hindus and Sikhs, but arrangements for the
deceased within the communities are different from what is ordained by the
scriptures. There are instances of families taking the bodies to India for
cremation according to proper rituals. Davender Ghai, president of the Society,
told the media:

“Many Hindus and Sikhs in England object to mechanic gas-fuelled cremation but,
without any alternative, reluctantly comply. Now our legal team is preparing a
case under the 1998 Human Rights Act and may plead directly to the European
Court of Human Rights.”

But, British authorities have allowed the use of certain rivers where the ashes
of the dead may be scattered. The Soar, the Thames and the Wye are such rivers
designated as the ‘Ganges’.

BASILDON BOY · 11-01-2006, 10:17 PM

Can't cremate bodies on open pyres - contravene a whole host of EU regulations on emissions!

welshbrit · 11-01-2006, 10:34 PM

8)

Lets hope they don't pollute the rivers then!

C_steam · 12-01-2006, 08:21 AM

can the quote be ref'd please?

unable to find anything through many combinations on google, nothing on Davender Ghai and multimap says there is no Gosforth in london.

Tom Wilde · 12-01-2006, 10:03 AM

Couldn't find the Anglo-Asian Friendship Society on Google either.

Oh, wait: here it is.

http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1006986

(Daily News & Analysis website, India).

Hartlepool · 12-01-2006, 10:33 AM

Gosforth,Newcastle suburb.

Anthony Butcher · 12-01-2006, 10:39 AM

If the Hindus are allowed to do it, the pagan population of Britain may well decide that they fancy a traditional Viking style funeral too.

C_steam · 12-01-2006, 12:16 PM

My apologies - I only googled UK and actually thought of Newcastle but decided no-one could confuse that great city with the other, more southerly one.

As for

Quote:

the pagan population of Britain may well decide that they fancy a traditional Viking style funeral too.

- stop being paganist. If it annoys the establishment I want one too!

John Carter · 12-01-2006, 03:08 PM

Never mind your Viking longboats - I want a pyramid... ...made by slaves.

Aardvark · 12-01-2006, 03:51 PM

Ironically, if you can afford it and get planning permission you can indeed build a pyramid. You won't be able to use slaves, but minimum waged, non-unionised, illegal Chinese migrants would probably do it for you. How you'd conceal 50,000 of them from the authorities is another matter. :wink:

Git van Hoogstraaten, the country's nastiest runaway, was having a £300 million mausoleum built on downland somewhere in the south of England. He was ignoring local land rights.

Watch out for UKIP Scot telling you about Up Helly Aa, the annual burning of a viking longboat in the Shetlands. It takes place as part of the New Year celebrations and the photos I've seen of the locals in their viking garb led by the Guizer Jarl are very dramatic. I suppose you could sling them a few quid for your body to be put on the ship before it's sailed out INTO phpbb_the harbour to be burnt.

If the Hindus and Sikhs do get the 'right' to breach the laws that bind the rest of us it will be another few thousand votes for the BNP. Strange to relate not all Hindus are cremated in that fashion. It's illegal in Singapore, but they don't trouble themselves with human rights over there and Hindus who want to be cremated in traditional style have to go elsewhere.

As postulated, it is highly unlikely that any other EU country allows such things since it will almost certainly be environmental rules dictated centrally that control the matter. If it is still within the power of national governments to legislate, then it does seem unfair that in some places I might need permission to burn a few leaves to create ash for the soil, but could conceivably burn my neighbour's granny, accompanied by a few chants, with no problem.

The next issue is that under the caste system only certain people are allowed to build and light funeral pyres. These people will presumably not exist within the British population since there is no current demand for their skills. We will therefore have to import a whole caste layer to fulfil the role. Incidentally, I read an article about them in National Geographic or some such magazine and they sift through the ashes to root out any gold fillings etc which are viewed as perks of the job!

11-01-2006, 08:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
White knight Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bristol Posts: 623	Human Rights All in SW Oh! boy - this is going to be fun!! Just be careful that what you say in a letter may bring PC Plod around to feel your collar!! John Kelly UK Hindus demand traditional pyres IANS Wednesday, January 11, 2006 22:41 IST LONDON: The Anglo-Asian Friendship Society based in Gosforth, London plans to petition the Newcastle City Council and the European Court of Human Rights to ensure that dead bodies of Hindus and Sikhs are cremated on traditional funeral pyres instead of in electric crematoriums. Britain has a large minority of Hindus and Sikhs, but arrangements for the deceased within the communities are different from what is ordained by the scriptures. There are instances of families taking the bodies to India for cremation according to proper rituals. Davender Ghai, president of the Society, told the media: “Many Hindus and Sikhs in England object to mechanic gas-fuelled cremation but, without any alternative, reluctantly comply. Now our legal team is preparing a case under the 1998 Human Rights Act and may plead directly to the European Court of Human Rights.” But, British authorities have allowed the use of certain rivers where the ashes of the dead may be scattered. The Soar, the Thames and the Wye are such rivers designated as the ‘Ganges’.

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welshbrit Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 127	8) Lets hope they don't pollute the rivers then! __________________ Shot down in flames but still Laughing.

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11-01-2006, 10:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,799	Can't cremate bodies on open pyres - contravene a whole host of EU regulations on emissions!

12-01-2006, 08:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,685	can the quote be ref'd please? unable to find anything through many combinations on google, nothing on Davender Ghai and multimap says there is no Gosforth in london.

12-01-2006, 10:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,882	Couldn't find the Anglo-Asian Friendship Society on Google either. Oh, wait: here it is. http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1006986 (Daily News & Analysis website, India).

12-01-2006, 10:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,785 Party: Free England Party	Gosforth,Newcastle suburb.

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Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,085 Party: None	If the Hindus are allowed to do it, the pagan population of Britain may well decide that they fancy a traditional Viking style funeral too.

12-01-2006, 03:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	Never mind your Viking longboats - I want a pyramid... ...made by slaves.

12-01-2006, 03:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,918	Ironically, if you can afford it and get planning permission you can indeed build a pyramid. You won't be able to use slaves, but minimum waged, non-unionised, illegal Chinese migrants would probably do it for you. How you'd conceal 50,000 of them from the authorities is another matter. :wink: Git van Hoogstraaten, the country's nastiest runaway, was having a £300 million mausoleum built on downland somewhere in the south of England. He was ignoring local land rights. Watch out for UKIP Scot telling you about Up Helly Aa, the annual burning of a viking longboat in the Shetlands. It takes place as part of the New Year celebrations and the photos I've seen of the locals in their viking garb led by the Guizer Jarl are very dramatic. I suppose you could sling them a few quid for your body to be put on the ship before it's sailed out INTO phpbb_the harbour to be burnt. If the Hindus and Sikhs do get the 'right' to breach the laws that bind the rest of us it will be another few thousand votes for the BNP. Strange to relate not all Hindus are cremated in that fashion. It's illegal in Singapore, but they don't trouble themselves with human rights over there and Hindus who want to be cremated in traditional style have to go elsewhere. As postulated, it is highly unlikely that any other EU country allows such things since it will almost certainly be environmental rules dictated centrally that control the matter. If it is still within the power of national governments to legislate, then it does seem unfair that in some places I might need permission to burn a few leaves to create ash for the soil, but could conceivably burn my neighbour's granny, accompanied by a few chants, with no problem. The next issue is that under the caste system only certain people are allowed to build and light funeral pyres. These people will presumably not exist within the British population since there is no current demand for their skills. We will therefore have to import a whole caste layer to fulfil the role. Incidentally, I read an article about them in National Geographic or some such magazine and they sift through the ashes to root out any gold fillings etc which are viewed as perks of the job!