Jean Pool

Anthony, I find your response pretty desperate - quite surprising as generally I think you talk a fair bit of sense on some issue.

I do not advocate violence at all - not even now, in the throes of extreme provocation. It would be very easy to continue with your "paint-by-numbers" description ofthe BNP, but, alas, I must disappoint you.

You are clueless on the matter and as guilty as anyone who condemns all muslims for the ongoing atrocities. Sweeping generalisations when the cap fits.

It has to be said that a good proportion of UKIPpers on this forum also stand at the opposite end of the spectrum to you, but your spleen is not directed at them. Why?

Smells very BNP to me. Much in common when push comes to shove.

True colours are being shown.

lkelly

The reason we have problems with foreigners is because we are so kind. Sadam had less trouble with Iraquis than we have. Stalin had less trouble with the russians than we have with foreigners. The reason they had less trouble was because they were repressive ***. It is our 'roomy' natures, which give such generous leeway, and allowance to expressions, which provides an audience for demanding behaviour.

It is also that we are an able people, who are able to create a desirable standard of living, and a safe culture. These things attract others to us. We would not have any of this trouble is we were a poor, unable people, with a dangerous culture. No such country on earth has people flocking to it, and 'fighting for their rights' in it. Thus, it is not 'rights' which these foreigners want, but a slice of our wealth. We know this already.

We simply need now to recognise that it is our culture, our safety, and our wealth, and we have the right to possess it, and to share, or not to share, it, as we see fit. It is time we started to fight for our own rights. It is time for us to see that it is our own generous natures which allow foreigners to perceive our wealth as a 'right' for which they can legitimately 'fight'. We should make it clear to them that we are not for the taking, and that they do not have a right to our society, or to our wealth. It is time we stood up for ourselves, and perceived that we have rights, ourselves, to what is ours!
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As to the clear and present danger, I think it would be reduced considerably if we had fewer muslims/foreigners, here.

Anthony Butcher

I am not making sweeping generalisations at all. The BNP policies are clearly racist. Anyone who supports those policies is labelling themselves as racist. Simple as that. We see it time and again here.

If you aren't a racist, then you have no business being in the BNP. How many BNP members do you know who aren't racists?

The point I am trying to make is that there is very little difference between the BNP and extremist Islam - they both promote intolerance. Usually we can just ignore the BNP, but comments like BritishPatriot's about not letting any Muslims INTO phpbb_the country simply fuel divisions in society when we should be seeking to calm the situation. It is irresponsible.

A fair proportion of people in that survey considered themselves pro-British, anti-terrorist and anti-extremism. Why is it that BritishPatriot is prepared to lump them in with all of the others?

Anthony Butcher

But the same coul be said of anything. There would be less football hooligans if we had less men in Britain. There would be less drink related crime if there were less young people in Britain. There would be less Man United supporters if there were less foreigners.

C_steam

OK, you said members, but if you widen the question to 'Voters' the answer would suprise you perhaps, although of course there is no true way of knowing.

But Yougov did - does that make the poll discriminatory? Of course not. Like it or not - they WANT to be lumped INTO phpbb_a big group, they behave and organise themselves as a 'big group'. But 52% (a majority) felt that this government is racist - this government who more than any other have tried to promote multi-culturism and inclusion. My worry is that any government will be seen as racist by this group, quite simply because they do not hold the level of power or influence they feel they deserve as a 'big group' - but which they shouldn't get because - after all - they are a very small percentage of population.

lkelly

Yes, but where my safety is concerned, I want a say.

Anyway, this is my country. That is my opinion.

Jean Pool

AB wrote - "If you aren't a racist, then you have no business being in the BNP. How many BNP members do you know who aren't racists?"

Depends on your definition of "racist". Label me that if you wish. I do know that a lot of people within BNP generally do not want to live in a multi-culti neighbourhood, and I do not blame them - neither do I. A lot of people within BNP do not want to live in an Islamified Britain - nor do I. A lot of people within BNP do want out of EU - so do I.

Strange, I have found the most visceral and what you would term "racist" views coming from some within your party ranks. And I think those views are deep-rooted within UKIP, well away from this forum.

You are completely out of kilter with public opinion on the ground. And your party, I believe "under the skin " of UKIP , is split down the middle on this issue.

BritishPatriot

Firstly intollerance is not necesarily bad; I like a zero-tolerance policies for criminals. Secondly you say there is little difference between the BNP and extremist Islam. I have found absolutely nothing in the BNP manifesto which is racist. Imagine I took over the BNP and foolishly replaced the manifesto so it included the following:

But I said that the party was peaceful and in no way incited any kind of violence, and that people had misinterpreted some of the manifesto, THEN, then it might be said that the BNP is not much different from MODERATE Islam.



I believe it was a huge error to let Islam spread INTO phpbb_this country. Seeing this disaster has already happened, we should not therefore make it worse. If you want to calm the situation, the best way to do it is to convert to Islam and allow Islamic rule in this country. Otherwise all you are doing is letting a sleeping dog (Islam) lie, while Westerners continue their lifestyle, but that dog could bite society hard when it awakes.

Anthony Butcher

There is the very unpleasant clause that states that white Zimbabweans will be welcome in Britain but not blacks.

You only need to read the postings on this forum to see what drives BNP members.

Remember that great one about a Muslim women only swimming hour in Bristol? The BNP is all about racism and anti-Islam.

Absolutely, but we should also not victimise those British Muslims who do fit in and make an effort. Why should they have less rights in Britain than other British citizens (i.e. in relation to allowing their family members to live in Britain)?

Anyway, back onto topic, the poll reveals that there are many different groupings within the Muslim "community" and we absolutely must allow for this. Muslims are individuals and must be treated as such, not lumped together as some here seem to advocate.

Jean Pool

How much further do you want to see Britain Islamified?

Can you not see the dangers, and I am not just talking about extremists within Muslim ranks - I am talking about the deep divide socially which I feel is growing year on year.

We could probably just about contain things with present levels but leaving the door open to much more is outrageous.