John Carter

Just as soon as they can get that two-way telescreen working.

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at the end of the day its a health issue

the warning messages have been getting bigger and bigger and how much use have they been

most of the smokers i know want to give up anyway and see the pub ban as a way of helping them atchieve it

its like me wanting to lose weight and seeing nothing but other people eating cream cakes

nobody is actually going to stop anyone from smokin, just not affecting other people, seeminly its working ok in Ireland

mkpdavies

What about those that don't. I know plenty of smokers who have the attitude that they want to enjoy their life and if that means burning it hard for a short amount of time, then so be it.

So

Person doesn't want to quit.
Bar owner doesn't mind losing non-smoking customers.

You tell them they can't because of your values. Who made you God?

I have to watch people do all kinds of things I would love to do, doesn't mean I can demand the right. Heck I have to watch Ashley Cole going out with Cheryl Tweedy, do I have the right to stop him doing it out of my jealously?

The reason it works in Ireland, is because all the bars that want to keep smoking, just ignore the law.

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in America, canada and all those other places that have stopped smoking in pubs already. nobody is suggesting to stop people smoking, in fact the people that currenly smoke are perfectly welcome to keep doing it.

just in certain places they wont be able to already on a bus, train, plane many workplaces and otther places its already not allowed its just extending the areas

people still have the personal freedom to smoke if they want to

John Carter

Did you know that it's illegal to smoke whilst flying over Australian airspace - even if you're in your own jet? What possible reason could there be for that, unless it's because the non-smokers who make the rules are all fascists?

I like a smoke with my pint when I'm out at night. You don't.
So you go to your pub and I'll go to mine. You make the rules for your pub and I'll make the rules for mine.

That's fair enough, ain't it?

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mkpdavies

None is sugesting people stop smoking......Yet.

What about when they discover that kids in the homes of smokers are now 10 times more likely to die, because their parents now smoke at home instead of the pub?

Bottom line.

It is none of your business if a private establisment allows smoking or not. Nor does the state.

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no i didnt but are you suggesting that you dont follow the rules of that country if your on thier land or in thier airspace. its a bit like suggesting that people follow thier own countries rules when over here

im not suggesting stopping you from having a pint im not suggesting stopping you from having a fag im not even suggesting that you dont do both at the same time, and as you live in England providing the pub you want to go to does not serve food then you still can. In Scotland pubs are already beginning to build large sheltered areas so people can do both without breaking the rules remembering that scotland is the sick man of europe and has a lot of heath problems somebody needs to take steps


so your getting yourself all uptight about something that hasnt even been discussed if it was suggested by any politition then you would have something to get upset about



oh is that the figures i had a smokers cough until i was 12, my own views on parents smoking are clouded (exuse the phrase) by chain smoking parents so im not the best person to discuss that topic without personal experience getting in the way. So you prefer the idea of the parents being at the pub rather than looking after thier children :?: what a strange way of looking at it :shock:

coming home from school no food but there was always cigerettes

pubs etc are there for the public they are in it for profit a pub without customers wont last very long

mkpdavies

I don't, never have and never will smoke, so I'll never get uptight about it. I hate injustice and people trying to impose their will on others though, I am a true liberal, not a communist.

No. I accept parents need time to unwind and have time off from time to time though.

No s*** Sherlock! Hence pubs will try and accomdate peoples wishes as much as possible. Don't like the smokey pub, then don't use it. They might change if enough people WANT it to change.

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John Carter

An Australian in his/her own plane can't smoke. Roughly equivalent to us banning folks from smoking in our own cars.

Any reason for it besides anti-smokers being fascists? Nope.

Oh. I like some chips with my pint and smoke too. All at the same time. Seems like someone is trying to stop me from doing that.

Yet they haven't banned all that offal you shove down your throats. Strange.

So it's strange then that a law has to be made to stop people from smoking in pubs. You'd think with all these non-smokers walking with their feet that all the pubs would be non-smoking voluntarily by now, due to their loss of profit.

Could it be that the profits in pubs are from the custom of smokers?

As a bar-owner in NYC said:
"Where’s all the non-smokers that said 'we can’t go to the bar because there’s smoking'. We stop the smoking - where are they?”

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john ill ask again are you suggesting that if you go to another country you dont follow thier rules they have a rule if you are over there you should follow thier rules

you wouldnt like it if people came over here and decided not to follow our rules

if you dont like the rules that austalia have you have the choice not to go there

you only have 2 hands thats a lot to try to do at the same time

dont see the link :?: are you saying that the government should ban certain types of food :?:

im not a smoker as youve probably guessed but thorough talking to people that do they fall INTO phpbb_two distinct catogory's those who dont want it to happen but accept it will and those that are actually hoping against hope that it will help them stop as they are unlikely to stop drinking

you can take that to far the other way though, do you think its alright for people to kill each other because it would be impossing your will on someone else to try to stop them

putting people in prision is impossing your will on someone else

are you also saying that you should allow adults to abuse children as to stop them is imposing your will on others

and the list goes on............ there is taking liberal literally in everything and there is liberal providing your actions dont hurt others

and it does not always mean going to the pub and smoking not every parent does that

remembering that nicoteen is adictive people start and then cant stop and they see other people taking in the drug all around them which makes it much harder to stop. make it less socially acceptable to do and through time it will become less popular

i belive most children and teens start smoking because they think its cool and by the time they want to stop they re addicted .

the answer is to make it unpopular to start, it will take time but Scotland has taken a step in the right direction