Next Tory Leader

FuroraCeltica · 19-05-2005, 10:28 AM

Who will be the next Tory leader, and what would it mean for UKIP?

Bluemerle · 19-05-2005, 11:07 AM

If it is Kenneth Clarke, it will be good for UKIP as the grassroots will be horrified. They didn't vote for him last time when they had a chance. :shock:

David Davis is supposedly a EUsceptic, but I think he will take the pragmatic view and want to stay in the EU, but it will cloud the issue in the mind of the membership :roll:

Liam Fox is not strong enough to be leader, and he's a scot.

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 01:32 PM

None of the above.

I'd go for Tony Blair.

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 01:33 PM

More seriously, still none of the above.
Who, I haven't a clue.

Alex McKee · 19-05-2005, 02:15 PM

I expect it will be Ken Clarke.

If it is Liam Fox there's no chance they will win until they ditch him, he's just not good leadership material and as for David Davis he will be a competent leader, prob the next one after this next one methinks.

As I see it the Tories can go 2 ways:

1. Elect someone who the party will not object to: Liam Fox.

In a year or so they will ditch him and go for David Davis but the EU constitution vote will already have been won (by Labour), and the UK condemned to a nasty fate.

2. Elect someone who will split the party: Ken Clarke or David Davis.

If David Davis is chosen he will have an option whether to be patriotic or whether to put party before country. I suspect he will choose the latter. The EU Philes will ****** off and join the Lib Dems because it will still be seen as taking an anti-EU stance even though it will not be strong enough to make a difference. Then the constitution vote will be won by Labour and the UK damned.

If Ken Clarke is chosen the EU Sceptics will break free and some will join us. Then we can win the EU constitution No campaign and delay the EU progect.

However the only elected parties will all be europhile and we will have a very difficult time ahead.

Andrew · 19-05-2005, 04:37 PM

You should have an option “None of the above”.

And god I certainly hope it’s none of those three!
I do though fear that it will be David Davis, mainly because he is somewhat popular, and really there are no other real candidates for leadership – Although I’d like George, he is a bit young, and I don’t think Alan Duncan would ever get a real chance, and people would be afraid of Malcolm due to his part in the Major government, so who do we have left?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4522075.stm

So … simply because there isn’t anyone else, I believe Davis will become leader.

Bluemerle · 19-05-2005, 04:42 PM

It is terrible that there is no-one in the Tory party who stands out as a future leader. They are all anonymous to the general public. And I think to most of those who voted Tory. :shock:

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluemerle

It is terrible that there is no-one in the Tory party who stands out as a future leader. They are all anonymous to the general public. And I think to most of those who voted Tory. :shock:

Roger Knapman will probably be more widely recognised than the next Tory leader. :shock:

Andrew · 19-05-2005, 05:03 PM

hehe – A bit of wishful thinking that Roger would be more recognisable than the next Tory leader!

From all those who voted Tory that I’ve talked with, I’ve found that most want Davis to become the next leader – If only they knew the problems that would cause the party though!

Percentage · 19-05-2005, 05:13 PM

Yes Andrew my moneys on Davis,the fact he didn't kick up a fuss or lead a strong campain last time round but put the loyalties of the party first will be remembered by the tory faithfull.(if only RKS could have followed his example) :!:

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19-05-2005, 10:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
FuroraCeltica Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 448	Next Tory Leader Who will be the next Tory leader, and what would it mean for UKIP?

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Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	None of the above. I'd go for Tony Blair. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

19-05-2005, 01:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	More seriously, still none of the above. Who, I haven't a clue. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

19-05-2005, 02:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,661	I expect it will be Ken Clarke. If it is Liam Fox there's no chance they will win until they ditch him, he's just not good leadership material and as for David Davis he will be a competent leader, prob the next one after this next one methinks. As I see it the Tories can go 2 ways: 1. Elect someone who the party will not object to: Liam Fox. In a year or so they will ditch him and go for David Davis but the EU constitution vote will already have been won (by Labour), and the UK condemned to a nasty fate. 2. Elect someone who will split the party: Ken Clarke or David Davis. If David Davis is chosen he will have an option whether to be patriotic or whether to put party before country. I suspect he will choose the latter. The EU Philes will **** off and join the Lib Dems because it will still be seen as taking an anti-EU stance even though it will not be strong enough to make a difference. Then the constitution vote will be won by Labour and the UK damned. If Ken Clarke is chosen the EU Sceptics will break free and some will join us. Then we can win the EU constitution No campaign and delay the EU progect. However the only elected parties will all be europhile and we will have a very difficult time ahead. __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None**.

19-05-2005, 11:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	If it is Kenneth Clarke, it will be good for UKIP as the grassroots will be horrified. They didn't vote for him last time when they had a chance. :shock: David Davis is supposedly a EUsceptic, but I think he will take the pragmatic view and want to stay in the EU, but it will cloud the issue in the mind of the membership :roll: Liam Fox is not strong enough to be leader, and he's a scot.

19-05-2005, 04:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 109	You should have an option “None of the above”. And god I certainly hope it’s none of those three! I do though fear that it will be David Davis, mainly because he is somewhat popular, and really there are no other real candidates for leadership – Although I’d like George, he is a bit young, and I don’t think Alan Duncan would ever get a real chance, and people would be afraid of Malcolm due to his part in the Major government, so who do we have left? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4522075.stm So … simply because there isn’t anyone else, I believe Davis will become leader.

19-05-2005, 04:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	It is terrible that there is no-one in the Tory party who stands out as a future leader. They are all anonymous to the general public. And I think to most of those who voted Tory. :shock:

19-05-2005, 05:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Andrew Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 109	hehe – A bit of wishful thinking that Roger would be more recognisable than the next Tory leader! From all those who voted Tory that I’ve talked with, I’ve found that most want Davis to become the next leader – If only they knew the problems that would cause the party though!

19-05-2005, 05:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
Percentage Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,729	Yes Andrew my moneys on Davis,the fact he didn't kick up a fuss or lead a strong campain last time round but put the loyalties of the party first will be remembered by the tory faithfull.(if only RKS could have followed his example) :!:

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