Next Tory Leader

Percentage · 22-05-2005, 03:32 PM

You really gave it to them mikeuk

,well done sir.As the hoodies would say "RESPECT".

If Flight had not wimped out or even better joined UKIP,fought for his seat or a marginal one he could have relied on a significant swell of public support and possibly won us a seat then then i would have been visiting mr Bookmaker for some "earned" dosh as hopefully you will be.

Mikeuk · 22-05-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Percentage

You really gave it to them mikeuk

,well done sir.As the hoodies would say "RESPECT".

If Flight had not wimped out or even better joined UKIP,fought for his seat or a marginal one he could have relied on a significant swell of public support and possibly won us a seat then then i would have been visiting mr Bookmaker for some "earned" dosh as hopefully you will be.

I don't understand Flight. How he could talk about party loyalty after the way he was treated beats me.

He was invited to join UKIP - the candidate was prepared to stand aside for him - but he didn't. Maybe his best course would have been to stand as an independent. A lot of people liked him and he might well have got back in.

I was very impressed by the ultra-gracious personalised thank-you letter I received from Mr Flight...

...until I read the identical missive that some other well-wisher had received.

Percentage · 22-05-2005, 04:54 PM

Sometimes politics is about the man himself and time dilutes the reasons for there initial entrance to public life.

On the other side of the political equation two men with the same core beliefs & convictions namely Livingstone & Galloway,one is storming the US the other is "quietly" doing his domestic duties in London and would appear content to do so.

Mikeuk · 22-05-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Percentage

Sometimes politics is about the man himself and time dilutes the reasons for there initial entrance to public life.

Yes that's very true. People change (or affect to change) their opinions over time but are still tied INTO phpbb_the same party or interest group with which they started. It's a wrench to leave and can break friendships.

Paul Johnson was still in with the old left crowd long after he had moved well to the right. I can think of several Tories who became Eurosceptics yet still had embarrassing links with the Tory Reform Group and other pro-EU pressure groups. Sir Michael Spicer is an obvious example.

Likewise the ridiculous John Bercow. Although Bercow left the Monday Club years ago (actually over a personality spat – not because it was too extreme as he has falsely claimed ) he was still on the committee of the Freedom Association until this year, despite his new-found obsession with Political Correctness and Gay Marriage.

They were glad to be rid of the hygienically-challenged dwarf.

John-C · 23-05-2005, 01:12 PM

I think Boris Johnson is great. I don't know what his views on the E.U. are, and that is, of course the most important consideration, but he really is a decent and very funny, witty bloke.

Percentage · 23-05-2005, 01:18 PM

Unless your from LIVERPOOL :!:

FuroraCeltica · 23-05-2005, 02:04 PM

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I think you'll find that the majority of people have never heard of the pathetic little pipsqueak. I'm lookng forward to watching Brown wipe the floor with ToryBoy George.

Basically the Tories have only one credible candidate, namely David Davis, with Fox as a low grade fallback if Davis walks under a bus. Clarke would simply split the party; the rest of the umpteen and a half dwarfs are no-hoper jokes, as is Snow Off-White Alan Duncan, the prancing fairy queen of a party which looks set to hold its next conference, not in a phone box but a gay toilet.

I have no particular reason to be grateful to Davis. He wrote to me as Party Chairman telling me I had been summarily excommunicated (for threatening to stand rebel candidates against so-called official Conservatives) then b*ggered off leaving his successor, that rat-faced shrike Theresa May, to collect the writ from my solicitors.

Gee that one came from the heart Mike!

Mikeuk · 25-05-2005, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by John-C

I think Boris Johnson is great. I don't know what his views on the E.U. are, and that is, of course the most important consideration, but he really is a decent and very funny, witty bloke.

Is that a joke?

Bluemerle · 25-05-2005, 08:08 AM

I hear there was an almighty row last night at a Tory meeting in the Commons. Backbenchers complaining they haven't been consulted, so what's new?

Damian Green has stuck his oar in the leadership battle this morning saying that they cannot delay the leadership selection for 7 months, it will let Blair get away with too much. So the rats are fighting in the sack already.

Bluemerle · 25-05-2005, 10:26 AM

Daily Telegraph.
Time to speak up for real Tory principles
(Filed: 25/05/2005)

'It is a sign of troubled times," the philosopher Roger Scruton once
observed, "when conservatism must feel the need to articulate itself."
Sure enough, on Monday, Francis Maude, the new Conservative Party
chairman, issued a statement which, he said, "set out for the first time
the party's values". These "values", which have been approved by the
party's board and will be enshrined in its new constitution, are as
follows: "We are a national party, committed to serving the entire
nation, and open to, and respectful of everyone in Britain, regardless
of their background, race, sex or religion. We believe in strong
communities, cohesive society, personal freedom and responsibility,
limited government, the rule of law and an enterprise culture."

To be fair to Mr Maude, this statement of the blindingly uncontentious
is a feature of the leaderless state the Conservative Party finds itself
in. Yet, as Bernard Jenkin writes today, the party's branding should
wait until its product has actually been developed. Imagine if Edward
Heath, following his resignation in 1975, had attempted to define
Conservative "values" prior to his succession by Margaret Thatcher.

Because Mr Maude's announcement does not refer to actual policy, we
trust it is harmless. But if it does indicate the direction in which
Conservative grandees wish the party to go, it is somewhat worrying. For
in the mouths of the Tory "modernisers", among whom Mr Maude is a
leading figure, the shibboleth of "respect" for "everyone... regardless
of their background, race, sex or religion" is not quite as meaningless
as it sounds. It refers to a deliberate agenda of draining Conservatism
of all meaning in order to seek accommodation with the Left on the soggy
"centre ground".

Rather than anodyne "values", the candidates for the Conservative
leadership should be setting out solid policy principles to distinguish
their party from Labour. To aid them in this task, we present an
alternative statement.

"We are a national party. We wish to preserve the traditions of our
country and to extend freedom and opportunity to everyone in Britain. We
believe taxation should be significantly reduced. We believe marriage
should be actively promoted, via the tax code, as the best context for
the bringing up of children. We believe parents and patients should be
entitled to gain access to the school or hospital of their choice. We
believe these schools and hospitals should be independent institutions
once again. We believe police forces should be accountable to
individuals directly elected by the local community. We believe locally
run services should as far as possible be locally financed.

"We believe social security should be reformed to promote personal
responsibility and neighbourliness, so the 'welfare state' becomes the
'welfare society', underpinned by devolved and voluntary civic
organisations. We believe Britain's Parliament should be sovereign. And
we believe our Armed Forces should be properly equipped to fight
terrorism and dictatorship, and that free trade and property rights
should be promoted across the globe."

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22-05-2005, 03:32 PM	#21 (permalink)
Percentage Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,729	You really gave it to them mikeuk ,well done sir.As the hoodies would say "RESPECT". If Flight had not wimped out or even better joined UKIP,fought for his seat or a marginal one he could have relied on a significant swell of public support and possibly won us a seat then then i would have been visiting mr Bookmaker for some "earned" dosh as hopefully you will be.

22-05-2005, 04:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
Percentage Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,729	Sometimes politics is about the man himself and time dilutes the reasons for there initial entrance to public life. On the other side of the political equation two men with the same core beliefs & convictions namely Livingstone & Galloway,one is storming the US the other is "quietly" doing his domestic duties in London and would appear content to do so.

23-05-2005, 01:12 PM	#25 (permalink)
John-C Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Wales. Posts: 113	I think Boris Johnson is great. I don't know what his views on the E.U. are, and that is, of course the most important consideration, but he really is a decent and very funny, witty bloke.

23-05-2005, 01:18 PM	#26 (permalink)
Percentage Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,729	Unless your from LIVERPOOL :!:

25-05-2005, 08:08 AM	#29 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	I hear there was an almighty row last night at a Tory meeting in the Commons. Backbenchers complaining they haven't been consulted, so what's new? Damian Green has stuck his oar in the leadership battle this morning saying that they cannot delay the leadership selection for 7 months, it will let Blair get away with too much. So the rats are fighting in the sack already.

25-05-2005, 10:26 AM	#30 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	Daily Telegraph. Time to speak up for real Tory principles (Filed: 25/05/2005) 'It is a sign of troubled times," the philosopher Roger Scruton once observed, "when conservatism must feel the need to articulate itself." Sure enough, on Monday, Francis Maude, the new Conservative Party chairman, issued a statement which, he said, "set out for the first time the party's values". These "values", which have been approved by the party's board and will be enshrined in its new constitution, are as follows: "We are a national party, committed to serving the entire nation, and open to, and respectful of everyone in Britain, regardless of their background, race, sex or religion. We believe in strong communities, cohesive society, personal freedom and responsibility, limited government, the rule of law and an enterprise culture." To be fair to Mr Maude, this statement of the blindingly uncontentious is a feature of the leaderless state the Conservative Party finds itself in. Yet, as Bernard Jenkin writes today, the party's branding should wait until its product has actually been developed. Imagine if Edward Heath, following his resignation in 1975, had attempted to define Conservative "values" prior to his succession by Margaret Thatcher. Because Mr Maude's announcement does not refer to actual policy, we trust it is harmless. But if it does indicate the direction in which Conservative grandees wish the party to go, it is somewhat worrying. For in the mouths of the Tory "modernisers", among whom Mr Maude is a leading figure, the shibboleth of "respect" for "everyone... regardless of their background, race, sex or religion" is not quite as meaningless as it sounds. It refers to a deliberate agenda of draining Conservatism of all meaning in order to seek accommodation with the Left on the soggy "centre ground". Rather than anodyne "values", the candidates for the Conservative leadership should be setting out solid policy principles to distinguish their party from Labour. To aid them in this task, we present an alternative statement. "We are a national party. We wish to preserve the traditions of our country and to extend freedom and opportunity to everyone in Britain. We believe taxation should be significantly reduced. We believe marriage should be actively promoted, via the tax code, as the best context for the bringing up of children. We believe parents and patients should be entitled to gain access to the school or hospital of their choice. We believe these schools and hospitals should be independent institutions once again. We believe police forces should be accountable to individuals directly elected by the local community. We believe locally run services should as far as possible be locally financed. "We believe social security should be reformed to promote personal responsibility and neighbourliness, so the 'welfare state' becomes the 'welfare society', underpinned by devolved and voluntary civic organisations. We believe Britain's Parliament should be sovereign. And we believe our Armed Forces should be properly equipped to fight terrorism and dictatorship, and that free trade and property rights should be promoted across the globe."