This letter says it all

jp · 10-01-2005, 08:19 AM

In the Times today:

Quote:

Rule of law in the European Union
From Mr George Curtis

Sir, The Conservative policies advanced by Bill Cash (Comment, January 5) seem to me irrational — the political and intellectual equivalent of being half-pregnant. The Conservatives need to compare the fundamentals of the UK against those of the EU.
In this country we have been ruled by consent through parliamentary election since 1688. Politicians do not appoint our judges, the surest route to show trials. Judges are tasked to uphold equity, or fairness of treatment, and to seek truth in pursuit of justice. All stand equal before the law, including every politician and state employee.

That same law stands equally between every one of us and the overwhelming power of the State, which, from 1679 to 2003, could not touch anybody save through the law. An arresting authority had to produce the arrested before a magistrate in a public place, within a matter of hours, and there, with argument from both sides, justify that arrest or release the person. We live as free men under both the rule and protection of the law, which upholds the rights and liberties of the ordinary man against all comers, in particular the State, supported by a free press, whose sources are protected by law.

The rule of law means that the Government in all its actions is bound by rules fixed and announced beforehand. Thus the individual is free to pursue his personal ends, certain that the powers of government will not be used deliberately to frustrate his efforts. It is from this that the prosperity upon which democracy rises, springs.

In the European Union we are to be ruled by a few thousand unelected, unaccountable officials who largely appoint each other, cannot be sacked, and habitually meet in secret. All EU politicians and officials have a lifetime guarantee of immunity from prosecution in connection with their duties, and are presided over by a Supreme Court endowed with the power to suspend the rule of law, effectively at will. Thus, since the law cannot be known with fair certainty in advance, the EU is technically a lawless state within Europe.

The Conservatives will never regain power until they join the UKIP in defence of our country, laws and liberty.

Yours faithfully,
GEORGE CURTIS,

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...433097,00.html

mkpdavies · 10-01-2005, 09:30 AM

Good man, exposing the Tories for what they are!

When are the people that vote for them going to wake up? The fear of Labour staying in power should not be applicable as they both want to hand over power to the EU in the long run!

algypug · 10-01-2005, 09:41 AM

That's an excellent letter. We need to drum this message INTO phpbb_the electorate, as i fear, the vast majority are still in the dark as to the implications of continued EU membership.

chikrodah · 25-01-2005, 01:43 PM

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All EU politicians and officials have a lifetime guarantee of immunity from prosecution in connection with their duties,

Sorry, but if you mean EU politicians aka MEPs, their 'guarantee of immunity from prosecution...' depends on the rules governing the MPs of the country (or should that be region :? ) they 'belong' to.

Don't know about other countries, but UK MPs don't get immunity from prosecution - ask Messrs. Archer & Aitken!!!

This, of course, means that any of our MEPs, if accused of wrongdoing either before they were elected, or during their political term, cannot claim immunity from prosecution. Nor can they offer to waive their (non-existent) immunity.

Carl Faulkner · 25-01-2005, 02:36 PM

...but what about a foreign MEP whose country gives immunity. Will they be able to claim immunity in the face of a prosecution case against them initiated in this country?

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10-01-2005, 09:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
algypug Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 254	That's an excellent letter. We need to drum this message INTO phpbb_the electorate, as i fear, the vast majority are still in the dark as to the implications of continued EU membership.

25-01-2005, 02:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Carl Faulkner Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 352	...but what about a foreign MEP whose country gives immunity. Will they be able to claim immunity in the face of a prosecution case against them initiated in this country?