EP Employee

For everyone. They're effecting proposing a nationalised industry sector of the sort that nearly destroyed our economy in the 1970's.

Nationalist

Our economy will go to pot eventually anyway. I'm only 24 and have already lost 3 jobs due to outsourcing, 1 to Turkey and 2 to China where slaves will work for 50p per hour.

All the BNP want is for people to buy British goods made by British people, not cheap goods made by 12 year old slaves in sweatshops in outer mongolia.

Tom Wilde

I've a pretty good idea, yes. Let's run down the checklist for the BNP and see if they match up.

1) Nazis are statist socialists

So are the BNP as EP Employee pointed out and as you agree. You only disagree about whether this is a good thing or not. Let's leave that disagreement aside for the mo and just note that BNP does have this similarity with the Nazis. In fairness, that's not enough on its own to make someone a Nazi - Harold Wilson was a statist socialist too!

2) Nazis have deep-seated prejudices against people because of their ethnic origin, religion, etc.

Like Dr Cruel said, so do the BNP. Admittedly the BNP haven't gassed anyone, but then again they haven't had the chance.

3) Nazis have a weird mystical view of their own destiny, the White Nordic people's destiny, and so on, which sometimes leads them to mess around with old Nordic versions of paganism.

So do many BNP types. This may not be true of you, but it is certainly true of some of your BNP mates. If you don't believe me, you haven't been spending enough time on Stormfront.org Look at those usernames: Odin's Eye? Mercian Valkyrie? Pu-leeese!

4) Nazis like to dress up in paramilitary uniforms, march around and beat people up.

The BNP don't wear uniforms, but this may be partly because political uniforms are illegal in the UK (they were banned in response to the Blackshirts in the 1930s). That didn't stop former BNP leader John Tyndall being photographed in a Nazi uniform, but hey, that was a long time ago. The BNP do march around but so do many other parties and they don't goosestep, which is to their credit. They do have a bit of a thing about beating people up though, as I've mentioned before. Think I'll have to award half a Nazi-point for this one.

5) Nazis believe in the fuerherprincip - unquestioning loyalty and obedience to the Leader.

I don't know how much this applies to the BNP. I do note from press reports that BNP Leader Nick Griffin has sole decision-making authority and that all other BNP officeholders are there in an advisory capacity only. If those reports are wrong, feel free to say so. On the other hand I have also heard that the leader is elected by the membership. I'm tempted to give the BNP another half a Nazi-point ...No, let's not be petty, I'll let them off on this one.

I make that 3.5 Nazi-points out of 5. So yes, I do know what Nazis are and I think the BNP leadership score quite highly on my Nazi-ometer.

I willl emphasis that just because I think the BNP is a Nazi party led by Nazis, that doesn't mean I think all its members and supporters are Nazi.

C_steam

If, at 24, Nat's life experience is losing 3 jobs due to outsourcing I, for one, can fully understand the reasons for his political views.

It is this type of experience, and living in or around ethnic enclaves, that is the fuel for the BNP. Their offer is certainly attractive to those like Nationalist.

I've posted this before, and I'll do it again now, because I think it helps, albeit in a small way:-

Do not take or make calls to overseas call centres. Ask 'where are they calling from?' They will evade, and sometimes lie (I had one say 'Ireland' who then got confused when I asked "Eire or N.I.?"). Ask to be removed from their call list and not to make any further calls to you.

Call centres only work because people talk to them!

Frankly, I miss the gentle Scottish ladies calling me..............

Tom Wilde

I'm sorry to hear about the job thing. I don't think the BNP would help much though. Hope you find something better soon.

Unless you support the BNP because you have some huge hangup about foreigners, I really think you'd be better off voting Green Party. They believe in local production rather than transporting goods around the world, and they are against exploiting 3rd world workers. And they're a nicer bunch of people than the lot you support at the moment.

Julian Morrison

I can just see the slogan now, "Starve the Outer Mongolians!"

Nationalist

Thank You for your reply. Its a complicated subject, and the Nazi word is threw around like mad which is good really, because its become so over-used that its lost its edge.

Another thing that also puzzles me is what people think a Nazi us. If a Nazi was what you just mentioned above then that wouldn't be a problem. But as you and most others know, a Nazi is really a person who likes to gas Jews and blacks and gays and mental retards and gypsies. A person who goose steps us the street and wants everyone to have blonde hair and blue eyes. A person who rips babies from pregnant women and flushes them down the drain.

Tell me, do I really deserve to be compared to all that just because I am un-happy with immigration and political correctness ?

Nationalist

They're probably starving anyway, no need for a campaign

Nationalist

And all that comparing you just did could easily be said about moderate muslims and fundamentalists. Both share about 90% of the same beliefs but one party stops short of killing people in the name of it.

mkpdavies

No you don't, but I think you are are misguided if you think the BNP is the solution. At the end of the day only you know what feels right though!

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