Tories back ID cards.

C_steam · 13-12-2004, 09:30 PM

The Tories seem to have gone totally Blair-native and done an about face.

One more weapon in the UKIP armoury!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4093583.stm

Quote:

"It is important to remember that this bill will take a decade to come INTO phpbb_full effect," a spokesman said.

"It will do nothing to solve the immediate problems of rising crime and uncontrolled immigration."

.............so why are you agreeing to it then, you yellow livered prats?

jp · 13-12-2004, 09:35 PM

The Tories' instinct for self - destruction is quite amazing. They could teach Lemmings a thing or two!

C_steam · 13-12-2004, 09:43 PM

Yeap. This could cause floods of defections, the eurosceptics are hanging on in there but this could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Quote:

Tory leader Michael Howard had reportedly faced resignation threats by those opposed to the scheme.

And only the other day they were complaining that Blair had stolen all their policies - now they're adopting his! What an opposition.

Anthony Butcher · 13-12-2004, 11:19 PM

As I have said before, UKIP has more in common with the Liberal democrats than the Tories.

Anthony Butcher · 14-12-2004, 03:40 AM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...402826,00.html

Quote:

All recent polls have suggested that the public is in favour of ID cards, and a member of the Shadow Cabinet who is doubtful about them said last night that the party could not afford to be positioned on the wrong side in the law-and-order battle.

Once again, we see how policies are decided by our main political parties. Forget what's right or sensible, it's all about positioning.

I also fail to see how this fits in with the Tory cost cutting promises.

mkpdavies · 14-12-2004, 09:17 AM

This stinks. It now looks like the Tories are destroying themselves on purpose! What is their game?

As for floods of defections, maybe the normal membership will, but I would bet a whole pack of wagon wheels, that none of it's M.P's show the courage of their convictions.

The main parties stink, they are only interested in self-preservation, and that means sucking up to the EU, and keeping the sheeple down. Anyone who votes for them desreves to be treated like a piece of cattle, because thats what you are to them!

EP Employee · 14-12-2004, 09:28 AM

I don't know any Tory members that aren't outraged by this. ID cards are illiberal, bureaucratic and pointless.

mkpdavies · 14-12-2004, 09:50 AM

They should be outraged, indeed it should be the final straw.

You must be able to see that the leaders of the Tory party are not listening to the membership. Like the other main parties they have become fat and corrupt! Britain needs a change, and it needs a change soon!

Mystic Taboo · 14-12-2004, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_steam

The Tories seem to have gone totally Blair-native and done an about face.

One more weapon in the UKIP armoury!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4093583.stm

Quote:

"It is important to remember that this bill will take a decade to come INTO phpbb_full effect," a spokesman said.

"It will do nothing to solve the immediate problems of rising crime and uncontrolled immigration."

.............so why are you agreeing to it then, you yellow livered prats?

Sigh the reasoning is quite simple. I dont agree with it though.

Howard was in favour of ID cards when Home secretary so if he came out against them he would look like a political oportunist and ripped apart every time Blair stands up in the commons for PMQs etc, although the shadow cabinet disagrees, pragmatically Howard is the key player at the moment and if we win we can always screw these proposals up and chuck them in the bin, 2008 or so will be a Tory win.

It really depends if at a meeting a shadow cabinet majority should carry a motion or if the leader leads and the shadow cabinet follows. I think the leader leads and as we havent had any resignations yet Howard seems to have convinced people to fall in behind him.

Free UK · 15-12-2004, 09:52 AM

What a bunch of hypocrites!.Under the Thatcher Government they tried to introduce the ID Card.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	This stinks. It now looks like the Tories are destroying themselves on purpose! What is their game? As for floods of defections, maybe the normal membership will, but I would bet a whole pack of wagon wheels, that none of it's M.P's show the courage of their convictions. The main parties stink, they are only interested in self-preservation, and that means sucking up to the EU, and keeping the sheeple down. Anyone who votes for them desreves to be treated like a piece of cattle, because thats what you are to them! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	They should be outraged, indeed it should be the final straw. You must be able to see that the leaders of the Tory party are not listening to the membership. Like the other main parties they have become fat and corrupt! Britain needs a change, and it needs a change soon! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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13-12-2004, 09:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
jp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,000	The Tories' instinct for self - destruction is quite amazing. They could teach Lemmings a thing or two!

13-12-2004, 11:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,824 Party: None	As I have said before, UKIP has more in common with the Liberal democrats than the Tories.

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EP Employee Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 55	I don't know any Tory members that aren't outraged by this. ID cards are illiberal, bureaucratic and pointless.

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Free UK Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Yeading,Hayes,Middlesex Posts: 39	What a bunch of hypocrites!.Under the Thatcher Government they tried to introduce the ID Card.