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Old 22-11-2004, 09:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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As the 'British' government sacrifices our basic rights (as drawn up by statesmen centuries ago) to the globalist left it is inevitable that we right wing parties( I am a member of several) will grow and see sucess that we have not seen for many years. hew does the forum feel about stategys of becoming a 'broad church' and encompassing the various strands of Populisim, Conservatisim and Nationalisim. and also appealing to different types of communities in villages, towns, cities and suburbs. And catering for the different problems of different regions in the way of the various political leaders of which they've been cursed.
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Old 22-11-2004, 10:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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My view of the right wing parties is as follows:

Conservatives: A misnomer really, they are the nearest thing to right wing party on the benches.
UKIP: The largest genuinely right wing party in British politics makes them a good right wing choice.
English Democrats: They croped up on my election ballot, and I thought who the devil are they!
BNP: Another good nationalist party(supported by 18,000 members) they need to let us know where they stand on Immigration Issiues.
NF or WNP: If the BNP make the leap from Tyndall style ultra nationalisim to Griffin style populisim then it is important to have a good nationalist watchdog to the right of ourselves.

This is important so that
a) a distinction is made between ourselves and them.
b) we can take (like any democratic party) advice from our political neighbors to the right or to the left (very nescessary if we are to become a broad church).

I Apologise if my views have offended anyone.
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Old 22-11-2004, 10:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Winston Churchill once spoke of how Labor would use Gestapo style tactics in order to sabotage the democratic system in various ways.
They have!!
They are trading our freedoms for special privelidges in the most undemoceatic New Soviet Union(sorry European Union).
They also attacked our electoral system with the postal ballot and a lot of false votes were counted and stacked against our favour.
But most importantly we will inevitably(like our friends to the right)
come up against the brainwashed minions of the 'revoloutianry' left.
These are constantly raising hell, instigating violence and many of the literature they circulate is illegal in content and yet they never get in trouble.
Sooner or later the Left will recognise us as a threat to their masters plans and their hostilities towards us will increase in harshness and frequency.
I belive it is UKIP's responsibility as the largest Independence oriented right wing party(as well as being in our intrests) to defend our age old freedoms from the illegal threat of the far left(as well as the left in general).
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Old 22-11-2004, 10:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Do UKIP and friends belive as I do that In Britan we should have freedom from arbritary arrest(ie: being arrested for demonstrating and talking)
I belive that we should also be allowed to assemble at will because the authorities will sooner or later start banning us from demonstrating in town centers ect. as we achive sucess.
If the governments in the EU can ban pro-sovereignty opposition as they win seats, dictate political parties agendas and membership policies according to their own ethics on race then on current trends we will lose the basic rights of political parties that we have won and been garunteed throuh the centuaries.
We cannot allow this to happen.
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Old 22-11-2004, 11:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
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'Right wing'.

I'm no good with these labels as I tend to have varying stances on issues depending on what they are - what attracts me to UKIP is that, in the main, their position mirrors mine.

I'm not sure UKIP is so right wing on many issues - if the judgement of right/left/centre is judged using the generally held views of the public as a baseline then I'd suggest the party are centrist.
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Ignoring my remarks on 'Right wing' we Encompass many good left points the labor left sold their position in the union years on the strengh of more jobs and more wages whilst flooding the market with cheap 3rd word labor.
We could be called left wing in the sense that the British worker is better off with less or no migrant labor on the market.
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I must agree that with my limited experience of UKIP i must say they apear to be more centristic, i really dont think there is any room in british politics today for any party that is labelled either left or right, labour, tory, lib dem are all centristic. Torries were recently slated by the Independent for 'flirting' with UKIP, as the struggle for control of the consistantly centristic goverment continues a lot more of this flirting between parties will take place!
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In many ways Right and left are 2 sides of the same coin the real enemy in my view(as a white nationalist) is the pedllars of globalisim & internatitionalisim and the moneylenders behind them.
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Old 22-11-2004, 12:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I Belive It appropriate to introduce my beliefs and what shaped me INTO phpbb_a patriot.
I Was raised in W. Yorkshire Lancs in a town called Todmorden INTO phpbb_a loving but financialy struggling farming family
( we have always been involved with farmers for action-please look us up)
My conservative values come from there.
I Unfortunately as a young man became trapped in leftist extremisim due to lack of jobs but broke free of their Ideology after a heavy involvment of 4 months.
Some ex-Old Labor converts led me to the BNP and I found the answers I was looking for.
Since then I joinrd the National Front And The White Nationalist Party.
Its great to talk to some likeminded folks(of indipendence) of a more central political belief.
Thanks for having me on your forum.
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BNP: Another good nationalist party(supported by 18,000 members) they need to let us know where they stand on Immigration Issiues.
I thought immigration was the one issue where everybody knows where they stand!
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